C&O / GAP Forum

Rumor has it this place is for sale, in case you had ever wanted to own a B&B and bike shop.

It was still for sale as of last week.

I wonder how much they are asking for it. I'd like to find something similar on the Katy Trail. GAP winters are a little too cold for this southern boy.

The Rockwood Trail House that I referred to was listed for $325,000. The Gingerbread B&B just up the street is apparently also for sale and it’s price listing has been reduced recently by $100,000 to $295,000 according to Zillow. Come on Bill get out your check book or Bitcoins, buy one or the other and move up north. We’d love to have you. However you’d have to become a Steeler fan.

We stayed in the Gingerbread and it was a nice place. I think the becoming a Steelers fan is just a cost I'm not willing to pay. :)

Interesting. I too stayed at the gingerbread house. A nice and quite ‘historical’ place. Never before have I had a Victorian corset as room decoration. Slim pickings in Rockwood

Interesting. I too stayed at the gingerbread house. A nice and quite ‘historical’ place. Never before have I had a Victorian corset as room decoration. Slim pickings in Rockwood

But mannnn, the pizza at the opera house hit the spot. Wait, it wasn't pizza. It was a pizza roll or calzone or something. Still, amazing.

My preference is to ride from DC to Pittsburgh, though more popular is the reverse direction. Yes, the 17 miles after Cumberland is a long haul uphill at 2%, but you get it over in one fell swoop and can enjoy a much longer descent. More importantly, the GAP is a much better trail surface, and I prefer to get the narrow single track, and sometimes muddy C&O out of the way and behind me. As to itinerary, I did Six Days, Georgetown to Harpers Ferry to Hancock to Cumberland to Rockwood to Connellsville to Pittsburgh. Advise to ride fewer miles on day you do Ohiopyle and enjoy the town. I did credit card accommodations with no problem.

Good itinerary.

As I’ve aged, I’ve stretched my GAP/C&O trips from 5 days to 6 days so I can enjoy the scenery more…not to mention my body recovers better with less miles!

Each direction has its pros/cons….so it’s a wash even though I prefer to end in DC because I live in Pittsburgh.

I always try to take a dip in the river at Ohiopyle…for sure a nice stop.

John

Thanks for posting this - I was ruminating on the very same itinerary for a trip in May. Glad to see I was on the right track! Enjoy your trip.

Nice idea. I get kind of beat down and more error-prone at the end of a trip. Better to do the tricky parts first.

Hi - we are thinking of riding the trail in mid to late April and wondering what the conditions will be like? We are open to doing either the C&O or GAP. Thanks in advance.

Let's begin with the historical weather data along the trail for mid to late April. The data below is for Pittsburgh:

Average High Temperature on April 15: 62
Average Low Temperature on April 15: 39
Average High Temperature on April 30: 67
Average Low Temperature on April 30: 44
Average Monthly Total Rainfall through April 15: 1.5 inches
Average Monthly Total Rainfall through April 30: 3.0 inches
Percentage of Days of the Month Receiving Some Precipitation: 30%
Daily Hours of Sunlight: 13.3
Typical Wind Speed: 6 mph
Humidity: Dry

That said the temps will be lower at higher elevations along the trail such as Meyersdale. In fact, while not prevalent, one could encounter up to 0.5 inches of snow during that period. Temps closer to DC will be warmer.

Aside from the first 19 miles outside Pittsburgh and the 26 miles of the WMRT in Maryland if you choose to ride it, the rest of the trail is compacted crushed stone and dirt. Accordingly, the bulk of the trail condition is a function of the precipitation prior to and during your ride. In general the sections of crushed gravel will range from firm, to soft, to small stretches of puddles. The dirt sections will range from firm, to soft, to long stretches of puddles and mud of varying depths.

During the period the trees will be leafing out.

Subjectively, I find April to be earlier than I would normally plan a multi-day ride on the trail especially if camping. In my opinion, May is more preferable and conducive to a pleasant ride.

Late April in the PA section will be notably colder than DC. I’ve seen snow in the Laurel Highlands that time of year.

Any recommendations on lodging between Harper's Ferry and Georgetown?

There is a Travelodge in Brunswick about 1.5 miles off the trail although I have not stayed there. There are not many options other than lock houses between there and DC without leaving the trail, I.e. in Potomac and Bethesda. There would be options in Leesburg if/when the Whites Ferry returns to service.

Looking for a shuttle service from DC to Pitt?

The following are some of the more visible and active shuttle services along the GAP and C&O:

Golden Triangle Bike
Bill's Car and Shuttle Service
Wilderness Voyageurs
2 Wheel Escapes

You'll find descriptions and contact info for these at the gaptrail.org website under the "Where to Go" tab and the Sites and Amenities/Shuttles section therein.

As you likely know Amtrak provides bike roll-on service between Pittsburgh and DC and points along the way. There are also one-way car rental options in both Pittsburgh and DC as well.

Of course, the best option is simply to make it a round trip and avoid the need for a shuttle at all. :-)

I haven't posted in quite a while, and have done the entire ride many times. truly it is the ride of ones life. What is hard to believe is that first timers think you need to cross the river at Whites Ferry. I don't understand why they would assume that. Unless you are going to Leesburg. Thanks to Rivnuts, who contributes very good information. I enjoy your posts.

I haven't posted in quite a while, and have done the entire ride many times. truly it is the ride of ones life. What is hard to believe is that first timers think you need to cross the river at Whites Ferry. I don't understand why they would assume that. Unless you are going to Leesburg. Thanks to Rivnuts, who contributes very good information. I enjoy your posts.

Hello,

Our group of 6 is planning to ride the trails in Sept. 2022. Originally we planned the entire Pittsburgh to DC route. However, after consideration we decided to do one of the other.

For those of you who have experience with the trails, which do you consider the best and for what reasons?

I understand Whites Ferry is closed with no information about re-opening and causes a bit of re-routing at the end of the C&O.

Any information will be helpful.

This is a well-travelled topic. In my opinion I’d ride the GAP from Pittsburgh to Cumberland if this is your first time on the trails unless you want to visit DC. The GAP trail is generally better condition particularly if you encounter rain. There is better access to water, food and lodging also.

Depending on construction progress it is also possible that the Paw Paw Tunnel may not have reopened making the C&O Towpath trip a little more difficult.

I’m sure others will have their opinions as well with other reasons.

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If you have the time I'd rethink doing a complete route. The Gap is a great route but so is the C&O. The Gap is a bit more civilized but the C&O offers history and actually more overnight choices if staying indoors. Sure you have to push-a-bike over Paw Paw and and the Ferry crossing is a problem but you can adjust your daily travel to account for that. Cumberland to Hanock is appx. 60 miles and the section from Little Orleans is remote. Overnight options are a bit tough if your staying indoors. If camping less problems.

To be clear and as others have noted, the C&O itself does not cross over the Potomac River so operation of Whites Ferry is not necessary to complete the trip from Cumberland to DC.

To be clear and as others have noted, the C&O itself does not cross over the Potomac River so operation of Whites Ferry is not necessary to complete the trip from Cumberland to DC.

I am planning a trip and want to know where I can find the latest/current information on closures and trail alerts. Is there a central location/website? Is it on this comment thread? Please advise-Thanks

The GAP and C&O each have a website that cites the conditions/alerts for travel thereon. These are shown below. Updates to these sites are not instantaneous, however, so it is important to monitor forums and message boards such as this one to confirm or augment the listed conditions. Contributors to this and other forums along with the riders on the trails themselves provide the best current conditions and you would do well to check these forums and/or post questions to them as you get closer to and even during your trip.


https://gaptrail.org/updates/
https://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/conditions.htm

Hello all, I am going to be going on the C and O from Cumberland to DC at the end of the month, most of the plans are pretty solid at this point but had some concerns about the Whites Ferry closing. Is there anything that I need to know about it? Is there a pedestrian bridge to cross in its place or maybe a detour that is safe to take? Thanks for the impute.

Whites Ferry is still closed unfortunately.
No pedestrian or other bridge anywhere nearby.

Willy, what did you end up doing to get over the river?

Bikerafting is your only option. :-)

Seriously, another poster to the forum stated that the Comfort Inn in Leesburg is offering their shuttle service from Point of Rocks if you were staying there overnight.

Well... the closest to reasonable crossing is Brunswick.

You can google a more scenic but less traffic route from Brunswick to Purcelville,Va without having to be on Berlin turnpike the entire way.

Then you are on the Washington & Old Dominion trail on the way to Washington DC. This trail crosses thru Leesburg.

Having said this it will test your lowest gear going up the hill from the bridge at Brunswick. That part you will be jousting with traffic.

Still less frantic than trying to cross at Point of Rocks (Route 15 bridge).

Irrespective of any ongoing efforts to politically regain the ferry service, there would be another obstacle for the ferry to return to operation. The ferry boat itself appears to be seriously damaged as it was apparently partially towed up the MD side approach ramp where it rests today with half the hull in the water and the half on the ramp. The hull appears badly buckled where the ramp enters the river. It is questionable if it could be easily repaired.

That'll buff right out.

Bill:

I read the other day where the ferry is actually a combination of two barges so maybe that buckle in the middle I saw on the ramp was simple the joint between the two barges. If so, then indeed it may indeed "buff right out" and the ferry can be returned to service fairly quickly if a solution to the dispute can be found.

Contrary to popular belief you don’t need to cross White’s Ferry to go from Cumberland to DC. As a matter of fact if you do cross the Potomac your going the wrong direction.

Indeed you don’t need to leave the C&O Towpath and cross the Potomac River on White’s Ferry to continue from Cumberland to DC. However, you may want to cross the river to visit or stay overnight in Leesburg or complete the trip to DC via the Washington and Old Dominion (WOD) Trail. In these cases, it is a good option which currently is not available.

You can always cross the potomac at brunswick, take the mostly dirt roads in loudoun county to the w&od, and head in to DC. There's a bit of paved road and the bridge across the potomac isn't the greatest if you're uncomfortable around cars but it's certainly doable.

Kirk R:

Do you have or can you direct me to a Strava, Ridewithgps or Mapmyride route map of the route you describe from Brunswick through Loudon County to the WOD? I’ve ridden from the WOD in Purcellville to Harpers Ferry but not from/to Brunswick.

Rivnuts, I used Google maps with the bicycle icon routing to plot the route between Brunswick and Purcleville.

I don't remember any "dirt roads" on my travels between Brunswick and Purcelville. All roads were paved. Some were not pristine, but they were paved.

I also spent a little time looking at the route on the Google map with zooming in and out to somewhat familiarize myself with the route before riding so that I am not all wound up thinking I'm going to miss a turn somewhere. I don't like staring at my phone while riding.

Enjoy the ride!

Willy:

Thanks I'll look at the Google route. I was curious about the "dirt" roads in Loudon County albeit I don't know that I would travel them on my touring bike depending on their quality.

I would personally spend most of my time on mountain rd, which is a low traffic, nicely paved, road. It does have a good long climb on it, which is a big contrast from the tow path. Here's a route I made for someone (on this site, I think) and have used: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/35184094

There are a lot of gravel/dirt roads in loudoun county. It's one of the things that part of the county it known for (and there are efforts to keep them unpaved). You can zoom in to loudoun county on this state-wide map to see some of it. I have not verified that it's accurate (I live here so I just ride and see). https://vdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=e4e9638690634fafae8bccb63abbee7c

Oops, I just posted up a route from brunswick to the W&OD that is more gravel/dirt. I meant to post one that takes mountain rd (a little further west than the route I posted). I should have looked at it more closely. I'll look through my routes and see if I have one already made with mountain rd on it.

There can be some pretty washboard sections on the gravel/dirt roads including towards the end of purcellville rd from the route I mistakenly posted... I ride them on 32mm tires but do prefer the 50mm ones I've got on one of my bikes.

Here's a route from brunswick to the w&od that is mostly paved: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/38306515

You also have the option of staying on mountain rd into hillsboro and then taking 9 briefly before taking hillsboro rd into purcellville. There can be more traffic on hillsboro rd.

Thank you

Below is a link to the latest AP article pertaining to the closure and status of Whites Ferry. Unfortunately, the article doesn't suggest any progress in the stalemate which is disappointing as we look forward to the 2022 touring season.


https://www.pilotonline.com/news/transportation/vp-nw-whites-ferry-20220109-migizui6bnbylcpgyjettpwn3e-story.html

Hi all - has anyone been on the C&O path in the last 24 hours? Looking for a place to get a long run in (without using micro spikes) after this winter storm... and curious if the canal path is softer/less icy than sidewalks around the District.

Thanks!

We didn't really get any snow near Brunswick. We're supposed to get some tonight though.

The only review I have seen was from 2007. Has anyone been there since? I want to ride the entire 185 miles this summer. Thanks.

There is a vast wealth of information related to the C&O Towpath including this website, various blogs and YouTube channels with which to plan a trip. The Forum on this website has innumerable useful threads containing reviews of all sorts of aspects of the Towpath.

I've ridden the entire length of the Towpath (and the GAP) each of the last seven years. What type of information are you specifically looking for?

A group of about 10 of us are bikecamping the GAPCO from Pittsburgh to Richmond next June, and I am trying to figure out the recreation.gov campsites.

We each carry a small 1-person tent, so how many campsites should I reserve for this??

I see the notes for group campsites, but that seems to be for those coming with cars and more stuff.

Any guidance appreciated.!!!!

The Recreation.gov website does not appear to be the most useful in locating campsites along the GAP and C&O Towpath. In general, for the free campsites along both trails, there are no stipulated limits because there are no uniquely designated/numbered campsites within these. The one exception to this that comes to mind is Swain’s Lock H/B campsite near DC which has 5 numbered campsites.

For the pay-to-stay campsites it depends on the operator. These include private campgrounds (e.g. KOA/YMCA), state and federal parks (e.g. Corps of Engineers and National Park Service). The limits vary between these and you’d need to research/contact these for the answer to each.

The various webpages for each of these trails provide the best and most targeted resources to find the free and pay-to-stay campsites. I can provide some links to these if needed or specific options knowing your itinerary/overnight locations.

Hi there,

If you look under the campsite details it will tell you the maximum occupants. Some may have 6 or 8 max. occupants, but I think you might be pressed to set up that many tents in the space that is provided.

The Spring Gap and Antietam Creek campgrounds on the C&O had plenty of space, so you could probably set up ten tents in two sites.

The Outflow Campground space was more limited so you might get three tents in the provided space.

It might be better for you to get a group campsite, I saw Scout Troops using those on my trip last year.

Have a great trip, Edward

hi, well never did stay here, but was biking on the GAP with my son end of March, and we were bonking and dry when we rode through this KOA. Unfortunately, it was closed seasonally, but in the 'cafe' we noticed a woman there doing some work (the owner?). We asked her if there was any water available, and she kindly filled our bottles up. She could have sent us packing but instead helped us out. Thanks again!

Hi, came upon Bill's Place this past March while biking from PA to DC with my son. It was a great place to warm up, and soup was tasty, food hit the spot, and drink was gooood. Down to earth. Wonderful folks. Thanks for being there.

I saw a couple of questions and comments about how to arrange return trips from various points along the trail, and thought I would add my two cents.

What we learned is that it was far easier, and cheaper, to rent a U-Haul one way back to Wilmington, as opposed to a rental car of any size! Like, 1/3 as much! I recommend that option highly if you find yourself in a situation like we did.

My riding buddy and I started our GAP/C&O trip in September, and had a great experience for the first couple of days. This was our first tour, and we were riding with far too much gear, but the first three days were great. Pittsburgh to Connellsville, Connellsville to Rockwood, Rockwood to Cumberland. We started late and had slim pickings for dinner on a Sunday in Connellsville, spent too much time at Fallingwater outside of Ohiopyle and missed dinner completely in Rockwood - that town closes up early - and got to Cumberland with plenty of daylight left.

I began to have issues on the C&O trail, especially as the temperature climbed. I'm diabetic and wasn't doing a good job with my sugars, and ran into trouble right around Paw Paw. I got sagged by some new friends into Hancock, and thought all would be good the next day. However, we hit the detour around Taylors Landing (mile 89) and that nearly killed me. As we got back onto the trail, I fell further behind, winding up by myself just slogging toward our next stop in Harpers Ferry.

Around mile 74, I found myself alone in the woods at 8:15 pm, in darkness like an abandoned mine, with a flat front tire. I managed to replace my tube in the dark, then had the chain fall off. Once I was finally back on my bike, nearing the point of exhaustion but still moving, it began to rain! I just kept plugging away, and caught up to my buddy at the campground at Antietam Creek, where he had taken shelter with Gary, the manager (an outstanding human being!!). We got a call from our friends asking where we were, and they came and got us, taking us into Harpers Ferry about 10:30 and again missing anything to eat.

It was at that point where we both decided we had bitten off more than we could chew, and it was time to call the ball, hence our U-Haul rental.

We learned a lot from the ride, and are starting to look towards our next attempt - when both the Paw Paw and Taylors Landing detours are completed!

One of the things I always say, and I worry that people think I am being petty, is that you absolutely have to know how and where you are going to eat. These little towns ain't like the big cities that a lot of us live in.

You guys were banging out the mileage. It's a shame that the wheels kind of fell off. Thanks for the post.

Planning Pittsburgh to Great Falls/DC in mid May. Six days, hotels, restaurants, no camping. Anyone planning a similar ride? Advice?

I'm not currently planning the trip you've outlined, i.e. Pittsburgh to Great Falls (aka Seneca) over six days but have made a handful of trips between Pittsburgh and DC in recent years. Hence if I were making your trip a couple of itinerary options you might consider with daily mileage listed are as follows:

00 Pittsburgh
46 Perryopolis
58 Rockwood
44 Cumberland
60 Hancock
52 Shepherdstown
58 Great Falls (Seneca)

00 Pittsburgh
59 Connellsville
57 Meyersdale
60 Paw Paw
57 Williamsport
45 Brunswick
31 Great Falls (Seneca)

You can look under the "Towns and Services" tab in this forum for lodging and restaurant options in each of the overnight destinations. I've stayed and eaten at several of them. Depending on budget and preferences your choices may be quite different from mine.

I'm sure others will have some other suggestions as well.

May is a great month to make the trip. Not too hot and not too cold and accommodations are a little easier to get before the peak summer touring season.

The GAP Trail website reports that the Big Savage tunnel will close for the winter season on December 6. There is no detour.

Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to wilderness voyagers but they are closed for the season. Thank you so much!

I don't know a specific shuttle operator to recommend around Connellsville but I might suggest you query the bike shop in Connellsville for possible shuttles from there. They can be reached at:

Bikes Unlimited
(724) 628-2453

Might try these folks https://www.alleghenytrailhouse.com/shuttle/

We wanted to go to lock 5 towpath to walk. our gps
didn't get us to the way to get there. We got off the parkway
and asked people in neighborhood It was to high up to safely
walk down below. We could see the lower area but struggled and gave up and went to lock 7.

Help to clarify to get to lower section

Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to wilderness voyagers but they are closed for the season. Thank you so much!