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November trip
 -  + Are there many thru riders in the month of November? Do the campsites stay open year round?
Discussion started 11/01/2020 04:37 PM by LHM - 13 replies (last reply by Bill in Houston at 11/09/2020 11:47 AM)
LHM from Middlesex on 11/01/2020 04:37 PM
Are there many thru riders in the month of November? Do the campsites stay open year round?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/02/2020 07:40 PM
The number of thru-riders is significantly lower in November. After October, the weather becomes cooler and often cold. For example, today, the morning temperature here in Pittsburgh was right about the freezing mark and only increased to the low 40's by mid-afternoon. Indeed there was a dusting of snow at daybreak. In the higher elevations of the trail, I expect the temperatures were colder yet.

As I rode the portion of the GAP trail leaving Pittsburgh today, I only saw a handful of riders, none of whom were thru riders.

As for campsites, all the free campsites are available year round albeit, any available water at them may be shut off as winter approaches. As for the pay campsites, you should check with them ahead of time determine their status and services available.

 
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 11/03/2020 10:35 AM
Has Big Savage Tunnel closed for the season? That is also an obstacle if it’s shut for winter, brutal detour.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 11/03/2020 01:22 PM
Trail will be closed from McKeesport to Buena Vista starting Nov 16, according to the Facebook page post today.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/03/2020 09:13 PM
Following up on Bill's comment is the following information provided on the GAP webpage. Note this is not a short outage but rather 5 or more months.



OCT 30 2020 | Winter Construction to Close 10-Mile Section near Boston

The Regional Trail Corporation, which owns and manages significant sections of the Great Allegheny Passage between Homestead and Connellsville, announced that it will close the GAP to all travelers between mile marker 120.9 (the Buena Vista trail access area and parking lot) and mile marker 131.1 (where the GAP crosses Liberty Way in Port Vue, near McKeesport), beginning November 16, 2020.

This closure is planned to last for five months – at least until April 15, 2021, and perhaps slightly longer depending on winter weather and the progress of contractors. There is no posted or easy detour, as nearby roads are hilly and narrow. We will keep www.gaptrail.org updated on progress as we receive updates from the Regional Trail Corporation.

This closure will allow contractors deployed by Elizabeth Township to install municipal sewer lines underneath the GAP for approximately nine miles. Long-term benefits include the replacement or repair of culverts that divert stormwater runoff under the GAP, and a complete trail resurfacing between Boston and Buena Vista.

Our best advice to thru-riders, aside from shortening your trip, is to arrange a shuttle between McKeesport and Buena Vista. The following businesses may be able to serve you: Bill’s Car Service (412-855-4484), Wilderness Voyagers (800-272-4141), or 2 Wheel Escapes (240-674-7626).

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/03/2020 09:19 PM
Typically the Big Savage Tunnel is closed the first week of December. That said, I have not seen a specific date for its closure this year.

 
DNap from Richmond, VA on 11/04/2020 11:05 PM
I just finished the C&O DC to Cumberland in 4 days from Oct 31 to Nov 3. All the H/B campsites are open, but they remove the water pump handles mid-Nov. I’m in Cumberland now and will attempt the GAP Cumberland to Pittsburgh on Nov 6th. From my research, there aren’t any free campsites in the first 80 miles out of Cumberland. Some private campgrounds close their tent areas on the last day of October and require you book a cabin, hut, shelter or some indoor space. With that being said, campsites are either going to be limited or spaced out on the GAP compared to the C&O in November.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 11/05/2020 10:16 AM
There is a camping area in Confluence, ~ 60 miles from Cumberland. Whether it will be open, I could not say.

Outflow Camping Area
1579 Mae West Rd, Confluence, PA 15424
recreation dot gov

I would think that the dude who runs Trailside Inn in Frostburg would let you camp there, even if all you do is slide money under his door.

There's Husky Haven in Rockwood.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/05/2020 09:11 PM
Regarding the upcoming winter closure of the GAP between PortVue and Buena Vista, there is an alternate, albeit not easy route between the two. First one can ride from McKeesport to Boston PA via the McKeesport Loop which is on the other side of the Youghiogheny River from the formal GAP Trail. From Boston you can ride Renzie Road to Greenock/Buena Vista Road to Buena Vista to continue on the GAP Trail. That said, these roads are rather narrow and the first 1.2 miles on Renzie Road has a average uphill average grade of over 7% with a maximum grade of 12%.

 
DNap from Richmond,VA on 11/07/2020 05:38 PM
The outflow campgrounds don’t accept any reservations until next season. I stayed at the Husky Havem Campgrounds in a tent. I think the best way to tackle camping the first 70 miles is to call the campgrounds to see if they are open, whether they are operating at limited capacity and what they will have available. Husky Haven was mostly closed down, but they managed to help set me up and opened up one of their chemical toilets and a jug of water since they closed their water and locked their toilets on Oct 31.

The Hiker/Biker Campground at Ohiopyle was supposed to open this fall but was pushed back due to COVID. I’m staying at Kentuck Campgrounds and I wouldn’t recommend it unless you plan on spending more time in Ohiopyle. That incline trail to get to the campgrounds is no joke. At least 25% incline for a 1/4-1/2 a mile from the trailhead to depending on your campsite location.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 11/07/2020 06:11 PM
Where is the “Hiker/Biker” campground at Ohiopyle? I’m aware of the state park there but not a free H/B campground?

 
DNap from Richmond,VA on 11/07/2020 06:19 PM
I’m not sure where they will put it. It’s mentioned in the GAP and C&O Trail guide as planned for Fall 2020. I called the park and they said they halted all plans on developing it due to COVID. I went through half of the Ohiopyle segment today and there is a space on the right if you’re riding from Confluence (on the south side of the park approx less then 5 miles from Ohiopyle) that has tables and looks reminiscent of the H/B pulloffs on the C&O. No toilets or water pump though. They may develop it there?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 11/07/2020 08:56 PM
Dnap:

Thanks for that info. I need to look into it further. It would be great to have an H/B campsite in that area to make a 2-day self-supported trip to Cumberland a good option.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 11/09/2020 11:47 AM
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The Crabby Pig in Cumberland
 -  + Great location. Nice patio to sit on. Food was good. Not amazing, but good. Convenient bike parking. Saw many other riders.
Discussion started 10/26/2020 12:33 PM by Bill in Houston - 1 reply (last reply by Adama at 11/07/2020 12:02 AM)
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:33 PM
Great location. Nice patio to sit on. Food was good. Not amazing, but good. Convenient bike parking. Saw many other riders.

 
Adama from DC on 11/07/2020 12:02 AM
Ate there at the end of my DC to Cumberland trip. Really enjoyed my meal. Sat outside on the patio and had plenty of social distance. Got the crab cake sandwich...great. Few Lite beers and some fries. Exactly what I had been craving.


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Day parking Whites Ferry or?
 -  + Hello! We're planning to ride out & back from Whites Ferry north/west to Shepherdstown. Not sure how miles in my legs I'm guess it will be 80ish miles. So maybe a shuttle would be more enjoyable or...
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Marta from Arlington on 10/31/2020 07:19 AM
Hello! We're planning to ride out & back from Whites Ferry north/west to Shepherdstown. Not sure how miles in my legs I'm guess it will be 80ish miles. So maybe a shuttle would be more enjoyable or just 20 out, 20 back.

Anyway, what are our parking options? Is it safe to leave cars for the day & where? I'm studying the map & it doesn't seem obvious. Suggestions welcome.

Thank you,

 
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 10/31/2020 09:59 AM
Marta - if you’re not sure how your many miles you got in your legs, I would recommend an out and back and just turn around when you feel it’s time to turn around. If you’ve got the legs and you’d rather do the whole distance to Shepherdstown one way and shuttle it back, then that could be a good route. I’d call around and see about cost though, it may affect your decision. I don’t know of any but I’m sure bicycle shops would know.

As for parking at Whites Ferry, there is a huge parking lot next to the store/grill looking at Google Maps. You’ll be fine there.

 
Marta on 10/31/2020 03:09 PM
Thanks John. That helps. I looked at the site more & think I figured out more parking options If we can only do out & back I'm wondering if the stretch from Shepherdstown east is more interesting. The towpath is closer to the water from there past Harpers Ferry towards Brunswick. Thoughts?

 
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 10/31/2020 08:21 PM
Both seem equally close to the Potomac but here’s what’s new in the last year or so. The part from Whites Ferry to Shepherdstown was just resurfaced this spring so it’s more like a crushed limestone rail trail rather than the dirt mule paths that existed before. I rode it in June and it’s so nice.

 
wkr from Brunswick, MD on 11/01/2020 06:47 PM
The resurfacing actually began in spring 2019. We had a lot of rain and flooding in 2017 and 2018 leading to extensive damage to the tow path surface in the stretch from edwards ferry to shepherdstown so that stretch was given priority for the resurfacing, which started here in brunswick. The resurfacing is a pretty slow process, 1-1.5 miles every 3 days or so. The results have been awesome.

 
Marta from Arlington on 11/05/2020 07:02 PM
What's the best place to park near Brunswick, MD? Thanks!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/05/2020 08:33 PM
I would think the MARC train commuter parking lot would be a good place to park in Brunswick.

 
wkr from Brunswick, MD on 11/06/2020 10:10 AM
Yes, the commuter lot should be fine. There are residents who leave vehicles and trailers there all the time.


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McKeesport Trailhead in McKeesport
 -  + McKeesport was interesting, in that you don't pass through town, or kind of close to town, but rather through a series of back alleys and former industrial stuff, like they are trying to hide the town...
Discussion started 10/26/2020 06:24 PM by Bill in Houston - 5 replies (last reply by Bill in Houston at 10/30/2020 09:25 AM)
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 06:24 PM
McKeesport was interesting, in that you don't pass through town, or kind of close to town, but rather through a series of back alleys and former industrial stuff, like they are trying to hide the town from you.

Which, I guess, is neither here nor there.

Just know that if you want to see some sort of flavor of the town, you need to plot your own route through town rather than staying on the trail.

During the season, the waterfront might be more lively, though, and that might change the feel.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/26/2020 08:08 PM
As a resident of Homestead and virtually daily rider of the GAP trail, I'm impressed how much of the trail, its sites and businesses you found and visited. I'm curious how many days you took to make the trip?

As for McKeesport, you were only a block away from what, arguably, is the main street of McKeesport. Lysle Boulevard. That said, you didn't miss much. Like many of the steel mill towns around Pittsburgh where the mills were shut down years ago, McKeesport lost the basis of its economy. What may not of been obvious is that you rode through the majority of that former mill site that was a major producer of steel pipe, aka tube.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/27/2020 09:55 AM
We couldn't have done it without you, Rivnuts. We appreciated the input from you and all of the other users of this site.

We did one day of riding around in Cumberland (and on the C&O), and then 6 days on the GAP Trail. We really wanted to take our time and take lots of pictures and see everything.

I wish I had thought more about McKeesport and had made that jump up to Lysle. Even if towns aren't what they used to be, it's great to see old buildings and the remnants of the old economy.

The old mill structures were massive, and we noticed that one still had the tubular name on it. I can't imagine what that town (and the whole area) would have been like in better times.

I took a few hundred pics over the 7 or 8 days we were in the area and posted them daily on Facebook. Would people be interested in those?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/28/2020 04:49 PM
Certainly, pictures from your trip would be interesting. I'm curious what a rider new to the trail and not from the area finds worthy of pictures. No doubt you will have found items that we locals ride by each day and don't see or appreciate.

 
Cathy from Pittsburgh on 10/28/2020 09:41 PM
I would love to see your photos. I used to ive in Missouri and biked the Katy Trail a lot. I loved the rural and rustic flavor of the Katy Trail. But I am intriqued by the urban areas the GAP goes by and the old and usually abandoned mills and factories and coal mines. The ones at McKeesport were my earliest favorites.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/30/2020 09:25 AM
OK, I will make a separate thread for photos. :)


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Princess Restaurant in Frostburg
 -  + I think this was the only place in town that was open for breakfast on the day we were there. Great place to have breakfast. Do not sit in a booth, as they are miserably uncomfortable. We got a c...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:41 PM
I think this was the only place in town that was open for breakfast on the day we were there.

Great place to have breakfast. Do not sit in a booth, as they are miserably uncomfortable. We got a comfy table and had a nice breakfast.

 
Richard from DC on 10/26/2020 07:43 PM
Sit in the booths. For those who don't know, Harry Truman was once president of the United States. A year or so after he and Bess retired to Independence, Missouri, they decided to return to Washington D.C. In those days, ex-presidents didn't have secret service protection or even pensions. So Harry and Bess drove Highway 40 some 1,000 miles from Independence to D.C. After one or two nights in motels, they stopped at the Princess for breakfast. The booth they sat in has a picture of them that morning. The owner, the ancestor of the current owner, recognized them of course and was very excited. Frostburg was served by a party line phone system. Every call went through an operator. So the Princess'es owner called her and told her Harry and Bess were there having breakfast. It was a Sunday, and the operator started phoning everyone in town. By the time breakfast was over, a sizable crowd had congregated outside the diner. Harry was flattered with attention from the good citizens of Frostburg. But before he left, the owner told Harry that his mother was a big fan. Since it was her birthday, he asked if Harry would mind stopping by her house. It was on the way out of town. The "man of the people" couldn't refuse of course. Unfortunately, the mother was so talkative that the Trumans were detained for half an hour. But that's the kind of man Harry Truman was, and, though the booths are small by today's standards, it may be worth sitting in one like Harry Truman did and see how it feels to be an ordinary American.

 
Richard from DC on 10/26/2020 07:43 PM
Sit in the booths. For those who don't know, Harry Truman was once president of the United States. A year or so after he and Bess retired to Independence, Missouri, they decided to return to Washington D.C. In those days, ex-presidents didn't have secret service protection or even pensions. So Harry and Bess drove Highway 40 some 1,000 miles from Independence to D.C. After one or two nights in motels, they stopped at the Princess for breakfast. The booth they sat in has a picture of them that morning. The owner, the ancestor of the current owner, recognized them of course and was very excited. Frostburg was served by a party line phone system. Every call went through an operator. So the Princess'es owner called her and told her Harry and Bess were there having breakfast. It was a Sunday, and she started phoning everyone in town. By the time breakfast was over, a sizable crowd had congregated outside the diner. Harry was flattered with the kind attention from the good citizens of Frostburg. But before he left, the owner told Harry that his mother was a big fan. Since it was her birthday, he asked if Harry would mind stopping by her house. It was on the way out of town. The "man of the people" couldn't refuse of course. Unfortunately, the mother was so talkative that the Trumans were detained for half an hour. But that's the kind of man Harry Truman was, and, though the booths are small by today's standards, it may be worth sitting in one like Harry Truman did and see how it feels to be an ordinary American.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/27/2020 09:44 AM
Thanks for the history! Harry picked a good place to stop.


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Homestead
 -  + This site doesn't show it, but there are dozens of places to eat and stay in Homestead. See the Rivers of Steel stuff. Get a sammich at Primanti Brothers.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 06:28 PM
This site doesn't show it, but there are dozens of places to eat and stay in Homestead.

See the Rivers of Steel stuff.

Get a sammich at Primanti Brothers.


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John Butler House in Buena Vista
 -  + Nice house to stay in. The food at the golf course next door was great and amazingly cheap. We had dinner and breakfast there. We sat outside, and it was just beautiful. Bike storage was outdoors,...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 06:15 PM
Nice house to stay in.

The food at the golf course next door was great and amazingly cheap. We had dinner and breakfast there. We sat outside, and it was just beautiful.

Bike storage was outdoors, uncovered.

This place is a substantial distance from the trail, and is a substantial distance uphill. If we did it again, we'd just go on to Boston and stay there, next to the trail.


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Gary's Chuckwagon in West Newton
 -  + Great meal at a good price in a restaurant right next to a bakery where you can get dessert. What more could you want? Ride by the Blumer house, since it was built way back in 1814 and all.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 06:08 PM
Great meal at a good price in a restaurant right next to a bakery where you can get dessert. What more could you want?

Ride by the Blumer house, since it was built way back in 1814 and all.


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Whitsett Trailhead in Whitsett
 -  + Sager Ruins and Mosaics near the Whitsett Trailhead is a neat place to visit. I wish we could have taken the tour. https://ruins.sagermosaics.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uBSsAQ6uzQ Also ch...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 05:50 PM
Sager Ruins and Mosaics near the Whitsett Trailhead is a neat place to visit. I wish we could have taken the tour.
https://ruins.sagermosaics.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uBSsAQ6uzQ

Also check out the identical houses in Whitsett, originally built for the coal miners and their families.


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The Inn At Lenora’s in Perryopolis
 -  + This was the first place where the owner/hostess actually made us feel welcome and appreciated. The room was modern and comfortable. We had an actual bathtub. Modern heating and cooling. Nice be...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 05:39 PM
This was the first place where the owner/hostess actually made us feel welcome and appreciated.

The room was modern and comfortable. We had an actual bathtub. Modern heating and cooling. Nice bed.

Breakfast was what you would expect from a bed and BREAKFAST. It was really good, and we ate outside and had plenty of social distance.

It is not easy to get to the Inn from the trail. You will push your bike a considerable distance up a substantial hill. The owner suggested approaching from the T763 trailhead and Layton road, rather than some other way that might look ok on a map.

Something else to note is that while this site lists like 3 things in Perryopolis, there are several restaurants. We had a classic small town home-cooking meal at Randall's.


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Kickstand Kitchen in Connellsville
 -  + This place was great. We stopped for lunch and had a reuben, pierogie bruschetta, and a salad. Good prices. Nice staff. There's a rack out front, and a patio in the back where you could park your ...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 05:21 PM
This place was great. We stopped for lunch and had a reuben, pierogie bruschetta, and a salad. Good prices. Nice staff.

There's a rack out front, and a patio in the back where you could park your bike along the fence and keep your eye on it.


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Ohiopyle Guest Houses in Ohiopyle
 -  + Laurel Highlands House, Ferncliff Room Got the key immediately. Nice room. Good bed. Good location near the trail but away from the road. Looked like a good kitchen if you got permission to cook....
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 03:49 PM
Laurel Highlands House, Ferncliff Room

Got the key immediately. Nice room. Good bed. Good location near the trail but away from the road. Looked like a good kitchen if you got permission to cook.

The only bike storage is uncovered, outdoors.

Nice common area.


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Falls City Restaurant and Pub in Ohiopyle
 -  + These guys weren't open the day we were there, but an employee was nearby and we got a peek inside. It looked liked a fun place for lunch or dinner. Nice beer selection.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:27 PM
These guys weren't open the day we were there, but an employee was nearby and we got a peek inside. It looked liked a fun place for lunch or dinner. Nice beer selection.


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Falls Market and Inn in Ohiopyle
 -  + This was the only place in town still open. Everyone else was closed for the year. They had a restaurant and a grocery store. We cooked up a decent dinner from the groceries we got. Got some rea...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:26 PM
This was the only place in town still open. Everyone else was closed for the year.

They had a restaurant and a grocery store. We cooked up a decent dinner from the groceries we got. Got some really good breakfast sandwiches at the restaurant.

Nice staff. Souvenirs and stuff too.


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Mitch’s Fuel & Food in Confluence
 -  + This gas station has better food than most restaurants. Pierogies with sauteed onions and sri racha sour cream. Oooo, mama. And the steak sandwich was also amazing. Nice tables inside, or head a...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:17 PM
This gas station has better food than most restaurants. Pierogies with sauteed onions and sri racha sour cream. Oooo, mama. And the steak sandwich was also amazing.

Nice tables inside, or head across to the park.

Bike rack out front.


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Pinkerton Tunnel (East entrance) in Markleton
 -  + Take the long way around the shoo-fly. Really nice and peaceful.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:12 PM
Take the long way around the shoo-fly. Really nice and peaceful.


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Rockwood Mill Shoppes in Rockwood
 -  + Food was excellent. Staff was nice. This is the place to eat in Rockwood. I had the stromboli. The chicken pot pie is supposedly great as well. Topped it off with ice cream. I wish we had been...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:04 PM
Food was excellent. Staff was nice. This is the place to eat in Rockwood. I had the stromboli. The chicken pot pie is supposedly great as well. Topped it off with ice cream.

I wish we had been able to tour the Opera House, but we weren't there at the right time.


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Gingerbread House B&B in Rockwood
 -  + This was a nice place to stay. We got our key after a short wait while the owner drove over to the house. We paid up for the Kaylie Room with private bath. The room had two windows and had nice a...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 02:02 PM
This was a nice place to stay. We got our key after a short wait while the owner drove over to the house.

We paid up for the Kaylie Room with private bath. The room had two windows and had nice airflow. The bed was comfortable.

There was a little traffic on the road out front, but we still rode our bikes on it for the short distance required.

Bikes are stored under the covered porch. They are outdoors, but covered.

Because of the virus we just had fruit and hot and cold cereal for breakfast.


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Bollman Bridge in Meyersdale
 -  + Stop and read the signs and appreciate the engineering of this bridge. And also appreciate that it was built with a more beautiful form than it had to be. A nice little gem.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 01:19 PM
Stop and read the signs and appreciate the engineering of this bridge. And also appreciate that it was built with a more beautiful form than it had to be. A nice little gem.


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Fran's Bar - Meyersdale
 -  + Close to the trail. Good burger and home made chili. Good beer. Smoking allowed inside :( . It's quite a dive. It's where locals go, so it probably has the most reliable hours of any place in tow...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 01:15 PM
Close to the trail. Good burger and home made chili. Good beer. Smoking allowed inside :( . It's quite a dive. It's where locals go, so it probably has the most reliable hours of any place in town. Highly recommended.


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Mt Savage - General Comments
 -  + There is some great history in Mt Savage, and many original buildings still standing. I mean, the first iron rails rolled in America, and the first producer of good refractory brick. That's some his...
Discussion started 10/26/2020 01:09 PM by Bill in Houston - 0 replies
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 01:09 PM
There is some great history in Mt Savage, and many original buildings still standing. I mean, the first iron rails rolled in America, and the first producer of good refractory brick. That's some history.

But, there are no plaques or signs with info, so you are on your own for that.

There's a soft serve/milkshake place, and maybe a burger place. They might be open if you go by.

The town is very far below the trail. You will be riding down a very steep street into town, and pushing your bike back up.

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Frostburg - General Comments
 -  + To get to Frostburg from the trail, you have to make a substantial climb. This isn't a place where you just pop into a store and grab some water and a slim jim. If you are staying the night, just ...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 01:04 PM
To get to Frostburg from the trail, you have to make a substantial climb.

This isn't a place where you just pop into a store and grab some water and a slim jim.

If you are staying the night, just make sure you save some energy to get up to town.

It's a cute town with some nice old buildings and some history. Visit the Gunter Hotel and check out the collection of stuff in the basement. Toasted Goat was great.


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Trail Inn & Cafe in Frostburg
 -  + They have a new manager. He was helpful and gave us our keys right away. I'm sure he lives on site, so that helps guarantee good service. The cabin was clean and small and peaceful. We were too ...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:55 PM
They have a new manager. He was helpful and gave us our keys right away. I'm sure he lives on site, so that helps guarantee good service.

The cabin was clean and small and peaceful. We were too far from the office, so we didn't get wi-fi, but our mobile data worked fine.

We were able to lock up our bikes on the porch of our cabin.

No food available at the time of our visit.


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Frostburg - Toasted Goat
 -  + I didn't see this place in the listings for Frostburg. Located in the Gunter Hotel. Bike rack out front. Beautiful building, and you can look all through the hotel, including some exhibits they hav...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:48 PM
I didn't see this place in the listings for Frostburg.

Located in the Gunter Hotel. Bike rack out front. Beautiful building, and you can look all through the hotel, including some exhibits they have in the basement.

The food was great. The staff was great. If you are in Frostburg for dinner, this is the only place to be.


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El Canelo in Frostburg
 -  + Closed without warning on the afternoon we went by. As always, call ahead if you think you might visit a place, even if their website, facebook page, yelp, and google maps indicate that they will defi...
Discussion started 10/26/2020 12:37 PM by Bill in Houston - 0 replies
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:37 PM
Closed without warning on the afternoon we went by. As always, call ahead if you think you might visit a place, even if their website, facebook page, yelp, and google maps indicate that they will definitely be open.


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Queen City Creamery & Deli in Cumberland
 -  + Closed without warning on the afternoon we went by. As always, call ahead if you think you might visit a place, even if their website, facebook page, yelp, and google maps indicate that they will def...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:26 PM
Closed without warning on the afternoon we went by. As always, call ahead if you think you might visit a place, even if their website, facebook page, yelp, and google maps indicate that they will definitely be open.

That said, it looked like a great place, and we would definitely swing by if we were back in town.


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Cumberland Trail Connection in Cumberland
 -  + Friendly staff. Located right at the trailhead. Air hose and track pump outside. A good place to stop.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:24 PM
Friendly staff. Located right at the trailhead. Air hose and track pump outside. A good place to stop.


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Cumberland Inn & Spa in Cumberland
 -  + No problems with getting our keys. Nice room. We paid up for the private in-room bath. The shower in the bathroom was small, but who cares? Nice common area. Bike storage building was supposedl...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:22 PM
No problems with getting our keys. Nice room. We paid up for the private in-room bath. The shower in the bathroom was small, but who cares? Nice common area.

Bike storage building was supposedly secure but I wouldn't really trust it. We had brought a big lock and felt safe with it on our bikes.

Due to the virus we only had coffee and no breakfast service.

Access from the trailhead side of the river was no problem. Saw some George Washington stuff along the way.


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Cafe Mark in Cumberland
 -  + We had breakfast here. It was crowded, so it was a little slow, but the food was really good and the location is great.
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:15 PM
We had breakfast here. It was crowded, so it was a little slow, but the food was really good and the location is great.


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Amtrak Cumberland Station in Cumberland
 -  + We wanted to ride Amtrak from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, so we booked well in advance. Amtrak cancelled our trip and didn't have any feasible alternatives, since we had already reserved all of our hot...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:14 PM
We wanted to ride Amtrak from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, so we booked well in advance.

Amtrak cancelled our trip and didn't have any feasible alternatives, since we had already reserved all of our hotels.

We rented a minivan one way to Cumberland. For two people, it ended up costing about the same as Amtrak without any of the Amtrak drama and uncertainty.

We were also able to drive the rental on errands and see some things between PGH and Cumberland that we would not have otherwise.

I highly recommend renting a minivan over trying to take Amtrak.


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Just Completed GAP Through-Ride
 -  + Hi, everyone. My wife and I just finished riding the GAP. It was beautiful!! We really had a great time. I'll go through and leave reviews for places we visited or tried to visit. If you have any...
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Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2020 12:08 PM
Hi, everyone. My wife and I just finished riding the GAP. It was beautiful!! We really had a great time.

I'll go through and leave reviews for places we visited or tried to visit.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

We'll also put some replies to this thread with general notes about towns and maybe random thoughts. That way, when future generations search, they can get whatever knowledge that we are hoping to pass on.

Apologies if this results in people getting multiple unwanted notifications.


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Current path conditions
 -  + New to the bike trail riding, So I need some advice We’re planning on doing parts of the C and O next week I have read it can be rather rough. We have hybrid bikes with 25 mm tires. It was suggested...
Discussion started 10/19/2020 08:15 PM by Newbie - 4 replies (last reply by John W. at 10/25/2020 11:53 PM)
Newbie from Tennessee on 10/19/2020 08:15 PM
New to the bike trail riding, So I need some advice
We’re planning on doing parts of the C and O next week I have read it can be rather rough. We have hybrid bikes with 25 mm tires. It was suggested minimum 32 mm. never having been there can someone advise please Thanks in advance

 
Newbie from Tennessee on 10/19/2020 08:19 PM
Planning on starting in Georgetown and working our way toward Sharpsburg

 
Richard from DC on 10/20/2020 03:36 PM
The C&O Canal towpath has three different surfaces: crushed limestone; dirt; and hardpacked dirt, sand, and small stones. A hybrid would work on all except a few graveling and sandy areas if the towpath is dry. Unfortunately, the dirt areas take a long time (like two weeks) to dry out completely after rains. The crushed limestone runs from White's Ferry to past Shepherdstown. There is an old railroad line around Hancock that is asphalt, so a hybrid is definitely fine there. The worst dirt/mud is from White's Ferry to Violette's Lock. From Violette's Lock to Georgetown is the mixed surface of compacted dirt, stone, and sand. In some places there will be maybe a half mile of large stones embedded in the dirt. That makes for a rough ride and might cause a flat on a hybrid, but you can risk it. There are also a few graveling and sandy areas that a hybrid tire might sink into, but those are only ten or fifteen feet long, so if you stop in time, you can walk through them. Otherwise, they might throw you. in the dirt areas, if the dirt has turned to mud, you won't be able to get through.

 
LOA from Chevy Chase,MD on 10/21/2020 07:24 AM
My 11 y/o and I just rode from DC-Harpers Ferry-DC. Me on a 29er. He on a 1986 Centurion road bike with Gatorskins. He was absolutely fine. Last year, a friend and I rode from DC to Pitt. Me on the same 29er, he on a 1970's era Bianchi racing bike with -- wait for it -- slicks. Yeah, we had to periodically stop and dig mud (it was really wet last year) out of his brake calipers, but he was fine.

The C&O/GAP trails are extraordinary. Amazing. And perfect for the newbie.

Heck, we even did a large, two family trip from DC-to-HF where an 8 y/o girl rode on a "My Little Pony" bike. Complete with coaster brakes. She didn't set any land-speed records, but she made it no problem! Enjoy, and keep the rubber side down!

 
John W. from Pittsburgh, PA on 10/25/2020 11:53 PM
I’ve ridden my Trek 7.3 FX hybrid at least 5 times from Pittsburgh to DC in all sorts of wet weather and been fine. I did switch from 32 to 38 tires after the first ride and that gave me better traction.
Hybrids are perfect for the GAP/C&O. Good luck!


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Current Trail Detours?
 -  + Hello everyone, I am planning on doing the length of the C&O trail from DC to Cumberland this weekend.Curious if anyone had any information on current detours or major trail hazards? I have only ridd...
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Ryan from DC on 10/21/2020 03:20 PM
Hello everyone,

I am planning on doing the length of the C&O trail from DC to Cumberland this weekend.Curious if anyone had any information on current detours or major trail hazards? I have only ridden the first 30 miles from DC before so don't know what is out there. Any information is appreciated.

Thank you!
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 -  + Where does the C&O canal enter back onto the Potomac River if you enter at violet locks heading towards Washington DC
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Kayak on 10/17/2020 10:08 PM
Where does the C&O canal enter back onto the Potomac River if you enter at violet locks heading towards Washington DC


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Sand Patch Trailhead in Meyersdale
 -  + I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywh...
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JJ from Delaware on 10/16/2020 03:20 PM
I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywhere has inherant problems. Thanks or any info.


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Sand Patch Trailhead in Meyersdale
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JJ from Delaware on 10/16/2020 03:20 PM
I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywhere has inherant problems. Thanks or any info.


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NPS eBike Regulatios Announcement
 -  + The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new r...
Discussion started 10/08/2020 10:24 AM by Rivnuts - 2 replies (last reply by GeekAtLarge at 10/16/2020 11:37 AM)
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:24 AM
The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.

This regulation does however allow individual park superintendents latitude as to where various classes of eBikes can be used within their parks.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/08/2020 11:39 AM
750 watts! Zoinks!

 
GeekAtLarge from Alexandria, VA on 10/16/2020 11:37 AM
750 Watts is one horsepower. That is where the cutoff comes from. It is quite easy to purchase kits to equip bikes with 1500 Watt motors, and I assume that there are even larger motors available! (Think, Electric Motorcycles.) Most ebike purchases in the USA are at 750 watts or less. According to Bosch, who make ebike motors, The three classes are defined as follows:
Class 1: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and have a maximum assisted speed of 20 mph.
Class 2: eBikes that also have a maximum speed of 20 mph, but are throttle-assisted.
Class 3: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 28 mph.
All classes limit the motor’s power to 1 horsepower (750W).


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Meyersdale Station in Meyersdale
 -  + Is long term parking allowed at the station? Thanks!
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zarned from Columbia, MD on 10/14/2020 06:11 PM
Is long term parking allowed at the station? Thanks!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/14/2020 07:49 PM
As you probably know or certainly can see in a satellite view of the Meyersdale Train, home of the Meyersdale Historical Society, there is/are a large parking lot(s) adjacent to the building. However, I do not know if they permit long term parking therein, i.e. overnight parking for one or more nights. I would think there would be ample space as I've never seen it anywhere near full. Unless someone on this forum responds directly, the simplest way to find out might be to simply call them at:

814-634-8654

and see what they say.


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Trailside snacks near Smithton
 -  + A shout-out to the South Yard Depot about 3 miles east of Cedar Creek Park camping. Located on the trail, Jeff Seich offers coffee, breakfast sandwiches cooked to order, light lunches, ice cream sand...
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Biker Girl on 10/10/2020 10:10 AM
A shout-out to the South Yard Depot about 3 miles east of Cedar Creek Park camping.

Located on the trail, Jeff Seich offers coffee, breakfast sandwiches cooked to order, light lunches, ice cream sandwiches, and cold drinks. We originally thought we might go up the hill into Smithton for coffee after a night at Cedar Creek campground, but decided to press on. It was the right decision.

Nothing fancy, but a great egg and cheese sandwich with fresh eggs and homegrown tomatoes to go with our coffee.


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Mid-week service availability
 -  + Just finished the GAP from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, with terrific weather, emerging autumn color, and great riding conditions. One thing I didn't quite expect was the dearth of services in towns. Eve...
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Biker Girl on 10/10/2020 10:03 AM
Just finished the GAP from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, with terrific weather, emerging autumn color, and great riding conditions. One thing I didn't quite expect was the dearth of services in towns. Even larger towns like Ohiopyle were nearly deserted on a Tuesday.

It's later in the season, so I expected limited options, but it was much more limited than what I thought it would be. Lots of places had websites that indicated they were open daily, but if you called, they were closed Tuesday and Wednesday (at least).

Lesson: Call ahead to confirm the place you planned on stopping at is really open.

Enjoy the ride!


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Bowest Bridge in Connellsville
 -  + Is there day parking for trail use at Bowest bridge.
Discussion started 10/05/2020 03:12 PM by Glenn b - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 10/08/2020 10:23 AM)
Glenn b from Sewickly on 10/05/2020 03:12 PM
Is there day parking for trail use at Bowest bridge.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:23 AM
There is not a GAP trailhead at the Bowest Bridge itself in South Connellsville. There is street parking along 1st and 3rd Streets as the trail leaves Connellsville in route to that bridge. It is about a 1.5 mile ride/walk on the trail from there to the bridge.

Local residents may be aware of a closer place to park so watch for additional responses.


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The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted yesterday on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.

https://electrek.co/2020/10/03/us-national-parks-services-updates-regs-allow-e-bikes-up-to-750w-with-exceptions/


This regulation does however allow individual park superintendents latitude as to where various classes of eBikes can be used within their parks.


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 -  + From the link provided below: The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles ar...
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From the link provided below:

The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted yesterday on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.

https://electrek.co/2020/10/03/us-national-parks-services-updates-regs-allow-e-bikes-up-to-750w-with-exceptions/

This regulation allows the individual park superintendents some latitude in determining which classes of eBikes can be used where within their specific parks.


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