Current path conditions
-  + New to the bike trail riding, So I need some advice
We’re planning on doing parts of the C and O next week I have read it can be rather rough. We have hybrid bikes with 25 mm tires. It was suggested...
Discussion started 10/19/2020 08:15 PM by Newbie - 4 replies (last reply by John W. at 10/25/2020 11:53 PM)Newbie from Tennessee on 10/19/2020 08:15 PM
New to the bike trail riding, So I need some advice
We’re planning on doing parts of the C and O next week I have read it can be rather rough. We have hybrid bikes with 25 mm tires. It was suggested minimum 32 mm. never having been there can someone advise please Thanks in advance
Newbie from Tennessee on 10/19/2020 08:19 PM
Planning on starting in Georgetown and working our way toward Sharpsburg
Richard from DC on 10/20/2020 03:36 PM
The C&O Canal towpath has three different surfaces: crushed limestone; dirt; and hardpacked dirt, sand, and small stones. A hybrid would work on all except a few graveling and sandy areas if the towpath is dry. Unfortunately, the dirt areas take a long time (like two weeks) to dry out completely after rains. The crushed limestone runs from White's Ferry to past Shepherdstown. There is an old railroad line around Hancock that is asphalt, so a hybrid is definitely fine there. The worst dirt/mud is from White's Ferry to Violette's Lock. From Violette's Lock to Georgetown is the mixed surface of compacted dirt, stone, and sand. In some places there will be maybe a half mile of large stones embedded in the dirt. That makes for a rough ride and might cause a flat on a hybrid, but you can risk it. There are also a few graveling and sandy areas that a hybrid tire might sink into, but those are only ten or fifteen feet long, so if you stop in time, you can walk through them. Otherwise, they might throw you. in the dirt areas, if the dirt has turned to mud, you won't be able to get through.
LOA from Chevy Chase,MD on 10/21/2020 07:24 AM
My 11 y/o and I just rode from DC-Harpers Ferry-DC. Me on a 29er. He on a 1986 Centurion road bike with Gatorskins. He was absolutely fine. Last year, a friend and I rode from DC to Pitt. Me on the same 29er, he on a 1970's era Bianchi racing bike with -- wait for it -- slicks. Yeah, we had to periodically stop and dig mud (it was really wet last year) out of his brake calipers, but he was fine.
The C&O/GAP trails are extraordinary. Amazing. And perfect for the newbie.
Heck, we even did a large, two family trip from DC-to-HF where an 8 y/o girl rode on a "My Little Pony" bike. Complete with coaster brakes. She didn't set any land-speed records, but she made it no problem! Enjoy, and keep the rubber side down!
John W. from Pittsburgh, PA on 10/25/2020 11:53 PM
I’ve ridden my Trek 7.3 FX hybrid at least 5 times from Pittsburgh to DC in all sorts of wet weather and been fine. I did switch from 32 to 38 tires after the first ride and that gave me better traction.
Hybrids are perfect for the GAP/C&O. Good luck!
Current Trail Detours?
-  + Hello everyone,
I am planning on doing the length of the C&O trail from DC to Cumberland this weekend.Curious if anyone had any information on current detours or major trail hazards? I have only ridd...
Discussion started 10/21/2020 03:20 PM by Ryan - 0 repliesRyan from DC on 10/21/2020 03:20 PM
Hello everyone,
I am planning on doing the length of the C&O trail from DC to Cumberland this weekend.Curious if anyone had any information on current detours or major trail hazards? I have only ridden the first 30 miles from DC before so don't know what is out there. Any information is appreciated.
Thank you!
Ryan
-  + Where does the C&O canal enter back onto the Potomac River if you enter at violet locks heading towards Washington DC
Discussion started 10/17/2020 10:08 PM by Kayak - 0 repliesKayak on 10/17/2020 10:08 PM
Where does the C&O canal enter back onto the Potomac River if you enter at violet locks heading towards Washington DC
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Sand Patch Trailhead in Meyersdale
-  + I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywh...
Discussion started 10/16/2020 03:20 PM by JJ - 0 repliesJJ from Delaware on 10/16/2020 03:20 PM
I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywhere has inherant problems. Thanks or any info.
Sand Patch Trailhead in Meyersdale
-  + I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywh...
Discussion started 10/16/2020 03:20 PM by JJ - 0 repliesJJ from Delaware on 10/16/2020 03:20 PM
I am wondering about security at Sandpatch trailhead. Is is an okay place to leave a car for a few days? Do I need to register or leave notification someplace? I understand leaving a vehicle anywhere has inherant problems. Thanks or any info.
NPS eBike Regulatios Announcement
-  + The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new r...
Discussion started 10/08/2020 10:24 AM by Rivnuts - 2 replies (last reply by GeekAtLarge at 10/16/2020 11:37 AM)Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:24 AM
The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.
This regulation does however allow individual park superintendents latitude as to where various classes of eBikes can be used within their parks.
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/08/2020 11:39 AM
750 watts! Zoinks!
GeekAtLarge from Alexandria, VA on 10/16/2020 11:37 AM
750 Watts is one horsepower. That is where the cutoff comes from. It is quite easy to purchase kits to equip bikes with 1500 Watt motors, and I assume that there are even larger motors available! (Think, Electric Motorcycles.) Most ebike purchases in the USA are at 750 watts or less. According to Bosch, who make ebike motors, The three classes are defined as follows:
Class 1: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and have a maximum assisted speed of 20 mph.
Class 2: eBikes that also have a maximum speed of 20 mph, but are throttle-assisted.
Class 3: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, with no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 28 mph.
All classes limit the motor’s power to 1 horsepower (750W).
Meyersdale Station in Meyersdale
-  + Is long term parking allowed at the station? Thanks!
Discussion started 10/14/2020 06:11 PM by zarned - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 10/14/2020 07:49 PM)zarned from Columbia, MD on 10/14/2020 06:11 PM
Is long term parking allowed at the station? Thanks!
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/14/2020 07:49 PM
As you probably know or certainly can see in a satellite view of the Meyersdale Train, home of the Meyersdale Historical Society, there is/are a large parking lot(s) adjacent to the building. However, I do not know if they permit long term parking therein, i.e. overnight parking for one or more nights. I would think there would be ample space as I've never seen it anywhere near full. Unless someone on this forum responds directly, the simplest way to find out might be to simply call them at:
814-634-8654
and see what they say.
Trailside snacks near Smithton
-  + A shout-out to the South Yard Depot about 3 miles east of Cedar Creek Park camping.
Located on the trail, Jeff Seich offers coffee, breakfast sandwiches cooked to order, light lunches, ice cream sand...
Discussion started 10/10/2020 10:10 AM by Biker Girl - 0 repliesBiker Girl on 10/10/2020 10:10 AM
A shout-out to the South Yard Depot about 3 miles east of Cedar Creek Park camping.
Located on the trail, Jeff Seich offers coffee, breakfast sandwiches cooked to order, light lunches, ice cream sandwiches, and cold drinks. We originally thought we might go up the hill into Smithton for coffee after a night at Cedar Creek campground, but decided to press on. It was the right decision.
Nothing fancy, but a great egg and cheese sandwich with fresh eggs and homegrown tomatoes to go with our coffee.
Mid-week service availability
-  + Just finished the GAP from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, with terrific weather, emerging autumn color, and great riding conditions. One thing I didn't quite expect was the dearth of services in towns. Eve...
Discussion started 10/10/2020 10:03 AM by Biker Girl - 0 repliesBiker Girl on 10/10/2020 10:03 AM
Just finished the GAP from Pittsburgh to Cumberland, with terrific weather, emerging autumn color, and great riding conditions. One thing I didn't quite expect was the dearth of services in towns. Even larger towns like Ohiopyle were nearly deserted on a Tuesday.
It's later in the season, so I expected limited options, but it was much more limited than what I thought it would be. Lots of places had websites that indicated they were open daily, but if you called, they were closed Tuesday and Wednesday (at least).
Lesson: Call ahead to confirm the place you planned on stopping at is really open.
Enjoy the ride!
Bowest Bridge in Connellsville
-  + Is there day parking for trail use at Bowest bridge.
Discussion started 10/05/2020 03:12 PM by Glenn b - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 10/08/2020 10:23 AM)Glenn b from Sewickly on 10/05/2020 03:12 PM
Is there day parking for trail use at Bowest bridge.
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:23 AM
There is not a GAP trailhead at the Bowest Bridge itself in South Connellsville. There is street parking along 1st and 3rd Streets as the trail leaves Connellsville in route to that bridge. It is about a 1.5 mile ride/walk on the trail from there to the bridge.
Local residents may be aware of a closer place to park so watch for additional responses.
NPS eBike Regulatios Announcement
-  + The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new r...
Discussion started 10/08/2020 10:10 AM by Rivnuts - 0 repliesRivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:10 AM
The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted yesterday on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.
https://electrek.co/2020/10/03/us-national-parks-services-updates-regs-allow-e-bikes-up-to-750w-with-exceptions/
This regulation does however allow individual park superintendents latitude as to where various classes of eBikes can be used within their parks.
NPS eBike Regulatios Announcement
-  + From the link provided below:
The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles ar...
Discussion started 10/08/2020 10:04 AM by Rivnuts - 0 repliesRivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/08/2020 10:04 AM
From the link provided below:
The United States National Parks Service (NPS) has just updated their regulations to codify electric bicycles up to 750W as legal in all national parks where bicycles are already permitted. The new regulations, posted yesterday on the National Parks Service website, move to support the decree issued by the US Secretary of the Interior last year, stating that all e-bikes should be allowed in all US national parks.
https://electrek.co/2020/10/03/us-national-parks-services-updates-regs-allow-e-bikes-up-to-750w-with-exceptions/
This regulation allows the individual park superintendents some latitude in determining which classes of eBikes can be used where within their specific parks.
First time doing the entire C&A Canal
-  + Hey everyone,
Thank you in advance for your time and advice. I used to bike a lot in college a few years ago, but stopped when my bike got stolen and I never bought a new one. I am contemplating comp...
Discussion started 09/23/2020 09:59 AM by Allen - 9 replies (last reply by Bill in Houston at 10/06/2020 05:34 PM)Allen from DC on 09/23/2020 09:59 AM
Hey everyone,
Thank you in advance for your time and advice. I used to bike a lot in college a few years ago, but stopped when my bike got stolen and I never bought a new one. I am contemplating completing the entire C&O canal from Cumberland to DC, essentially just to see if I can. I am in excellent shape - I just ran a half marathon at around 7:45/mile. So, my question is: is it possible for me in my current physical condition to complete the entire C&O Canal in one day? Or, should I split it up into two days? I was planning on taking the Amtrak to Cumberland Friday night in early October and starting at dawn on that Saturday. Any advice on how to meet this goal would be greatly appreciated it!
Best,
Allen
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 09/23/2020 01:26 PM
Hi Allen. I would ask yourself what you are looking for in completing this trail. If its scenery, history, and adventure, I would take 2 or 3 days to complete it. The C&O is best enjoyed at a slower pace. If it’s a speed challenge, I’ve definitely seen journals about people doing it in one day (and a long day at that). I guess it’s all about how much discomfort you are willing to endure.
Are you camping or doing hotels? This decision will affect your weight and what you carry. Doing hotels will allow you to forgo camping gear and give you a lighter bike. Still, you need to be prepared for breakdowns and possibly having to be stuck somewhere in remote areas. Extra clothing, water, food, tubes, repair kit, etc. needs to be brought for the worst case scenario. So you need to carry some things.
In addition, we are entering autumn which means cooler temps and less daylight to travel in. Whatever you do, bring a light for the trail or campsites, the C&O is DARK at night! I usually bring a bicycle light plus my headlamp for around camp or even just navigating the trail. You can’t see your hands in front of your face at night on the C&O.
Cumberland to DC is 184.5 miles and almost all of it is on old dirt trails with some sections of crushed limestone surface so you won’t roll as fast as you would on a road.
Weather is another issue. If it has rained, prepare for puddles and mud.
In short, if you are confident that to you can do the miles at once, go for it. If you wish to take it in a bit more, do it over 2-3 days. A good itinerary is Cumberland to Hancock, Hancock to Harpers Ferry, and Harpers Ferry to DC.
Give us a report on your trip if you can!
John
Matt from Charlotte on 09/23/2020 02:02 PM
no question your heart can handle the full length of the C&O, the question is "can your body handle it?" Running & cycling are not the same thing. You'll be using different muscles and have different pressure points on your feet, hands, & backside.
I occasionally get to ride with a good friend of mine who finishes in the top 20 of his age group in the Boston marathon each year. I'm of moderate fitness and destroy him on the bike. There really isn't a good correlation between the two.
Then there is the issue of nutrition. 180 miles of cycling at a moderate pace, you're going to need between 8000 & 9000 calories to fuel your journey. Consuming that much food is a daunting task to complete without training for it.
It really comes down to how willing are you to suffer?
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/23/2020 08:17 PM
Before I comment further, I'll convey a true story. One Sunday afternoon I was on the Amtrak train returning from DC to Pittsburgh having ridden the trail to DC. I met two young men on the train who were obvious cyclists and we struck up a conversation. I asked where they were headed and where they were going to ride. They replied that they were going to Cumberland and were going to ride back to DC. Since the train arrives in Cumberland around 8:00 PM, I asked where they were staying in Cumberland that evening. That's when they said that they weren't staying there but rather were going to immediately begin their ride back to DC when they got off the train and were expecting or required to be at work by lunch on Monday, i.e. they were going to ride most of the C&O at night and planned to make the trip in 16 clock hours! This would require that they average 11.5 mph with no stops. I wish I knew how they fared, especially in the dark of night.
But I digress. Could you make the trip in one day? With your running background, you should be fine aerobically especially since there are no hills or mountains on the Towpath. Further, your legs will probably be ok so long as you eat and drink along the way. I suspect your physical limit will be the strain of being in a cycling position for the duration and your butt! Your arms and back (and did I mention butt) may become weary from not have cycled that much, especially in a single day.
Perhaps a bigger issue will be that you will likely run out of daylight. You'll likely not have more than 12 hours of daylight and some of that will be dim in early October. To make the trip in 12 hours you'd have to average over 15 mph. That's a pretty tall order on the Towpath for all but the best of riders and, if its wet, even more dangerous IMHO. The best portions of the ride to make good time are on the paved WMRT into and out of Hancock and on the Towpath itself between Shepherdstown and Edwards Ferry.
Although I ride a fair amount and have done the C&O a few times, I'm too risk averse to think about trying to do the entire towpath in a single day. That said, I admire your ambitious goal. Just remember that old adage however: "Hope for the best and plan for the worst" that you may encounter or succumb to. Best of luck to you on your initial trip down the C&O regardless of how many days you take.
JM from Central Florida on 09/23/2020 08:35 PM
Take 2 days. I rode the Gap and C&O in just over 4 days two months ago (full panniers - camping). The C&O is harder than the Gap because the surface is rougher. As a reference point, I'm very fit (2:40 marathon best, over 50 trail ultramarathons, cross-Florida ride (177 miles) in under 10 hours, multiple Ironman finishes, etc.). Unless you are attempting a FKT on the C&O, you'd be hard pressed to complete it in one day and, if you did, you'd never want to do it again.
Adama from DC on 09/24/2020 10:01 PM
Why!?!?
Kevin from Boonsboro on 09/24/2020 10:44 PM
Allen... Go for it. It is certainly doable in a day. You're gonna miss the sights, scenery, and history of certain areas, but that is not what you asked. The reward is well worth it. You're definitely gonna need a light. I've done the towpath in a day on two different occasions during the summer. Took about 14 hours total (riding + stops) each time. I'd suggest leaving Cumberland about 6 in the morning and the first hour will be a slower warm-up. You'll need that light later in the day also. I've biked both the GAP and the C&O thru the night. With a good light you should find that the dark should NOT slow you down. For what it's worth, I did the Pittsburgh to DC nonstop adventure on a hardtail in just over 24 hours riding time and about 27 hours total time. I'm by no means a great athlete, and I was 57 years old when I did that. My point is, it's more mental than physical once the novelty wears off. The best $150ish I spent was on a Thudbuster seat post. My butt was no more sore at 335 miles than it was at 35 miles. Enjoy your ride!
Anonymous on 09/25/2020 06:57 AM
Having run a number of full marathons, I wouldn't consider that running a half marathon in 7:45 to be proof of being in shape for what might be a 20 hour bike ride, much of which will be in the dark. A lot of novices who do half marathons can't even finish a full marathon. It's not mental. It's physical. "Hitting the wall" at mile 17 is a very real thing. In any event, the darkness is probably the biggest problem. I don't think coyotes or bears prowl the trail, but deer, logs, potholes, mud, and rocks do. On good parts of the towpath, I can hit 15 mph on a strong mountain bike, but there are stretches where I'm lucky to make 10 mph. And if you do run into trouble at night, it's pretty tough to get help quickly. Adama's "Why?" is good advice.
Velocipede from Bethesda on 09/25/2020 09:33 AM
A buddy and I rode it in one day on July 17, with about 11.5 hours riding time and 14 hours elapsed time. For comparison, we are both high mileage, extremely fit riders and still found riding it at that pace to be grueling. You should plan to start at 5am or earlier and to finish well after dark. Lack of daylight will slow you down. Other than refilling water, stops should be limited to two at most and keep them short. Carry food with you and run tubeless tires or carry several spare tubes. While a single day ride doesn't let you stop and smell the roses, it is a fantastic physical challenge that still provides opportunity to see nice views, wildlife, etc.
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/06/2020 05:34 PM
Well, did you do it?
Trail Conditions
-  + Does anyone know what the trail conditions are like right now on the C&O and GAP? I am planning to ride from Pittsburgh to DC starting 9 Oct and was wondering if the trail (C&O specifically) is muddy...
Discussion started 10/03/2020 05:48 PM by SoMD Rider - 2 replies (last reply by SoMD Rider at 10/05/2020 08:19 PM)SoMD Rider on 10/03/2020 05:48 PM
Does anyone know what the trail conditions are like right now on the C&O and GAP? I am planning to ride from Pittsburgh to DC starting 9 Oct and was wondering if the trail (C&O specifically) is muddy.
TexasTree on 10/04/2020 09:34 AM
Just did the both trails. Conditions great. GAP smooth all the way. C&O not as bad as some make it out to be. 27 ish miles on the "Hancock" bypass trail is paved. 43 miles (73-30 mile markers) is like the GAP smooth. Rest of the C&O has some vibrations but for most part is smooth-ish with the exception of the last 10 miles which will have you dodging water puddles. Google mile marker zero for C&O on google maps to find it - little tricky as it is behind the "boat house". Tip: to stay in Leesburg use Historic Whites Ferry to get across river. For reference: tire size 35mm 70 psi (10 shy of full air)
SoMD Rider on 10/05/2020 08:19 PM
Thanks for the info TexasTree, Looking forward to hitting the trail!
Hancock's 1828 Trail Inn
-  + Darlene, who owns the Inn with her husband Bill, told guests at breakfast that they are putting it up for sale. It needs a younger owner, she said. They plan on retiring in Arizona. I very much enjoye...
Discussion started 10/01/2020 08:32 PM by The Fool on the Bike - 1 reply (last reply by Bike traveler at 10/03/2020 09:53 PM)The Fool on the Bike from Pittsburgh on 10/01/2020 08:32 PM
Darlene, who owns the Inn with her husband Bill, told guests at breakfast that they are putting it up for sale. It needs a younger owner, she said. They plan on retiring in Arizona. I very much enjoyed staying here after riding from Meyersdale -- for the room, use of the washing machine/dryer, the fridge full of Gatorade Zero, and Darlene and Bill's hospitality. She baked cranberry muffins for riders to take along that day, and by the time I neared Brunswick, I was grateful for her thoughtfulness. It's a great place to stay!
Bike traveler from Austin,Texas on 10/03/2020 09:53 PM
I stayed there last year. It was a comfortable place to spend the night. They were gracious hosts.
GPS must needed?
-  + Good afternoon everyone! I’ll be doing the Towpath soon from Cumberland to DC. I have done a lot of planning however, a friend of mine has indicated that I most have a GPS in order to do the canal. ...
Discussion started 10/01/2020 03:48 PM by Gaby - 5 replies (last reply by Gaby at 10/01/2020 10:11 PM)Gaby from Bowie, MD on 10/01/2020 03:48 PM
Good afternoon everyone! I’ll be doing the Towpath soon from Cumberland to DC. I have done a lot of planning however, a friend of mine has indicated that I most have a GPS in order to do the canal. I don’t have a GPS therefore, is this a must have? If so, any recommendations of a budget friendly GPS? Thank you!
GSK from Springfield Virginia on 10/01/2020 03:57 PM
I’m not sure what your friend is talking about, but you do not need a GPS. A canal map would be helpful for planning your days but that’s about all you would need.
Gaby from Bowie,MD on 10/01/2020 04:04 PM
That’s what I thought but wanted to hear from someone else. I’ve done tons of planning and that makes me confident. Thank you for taking your time in replying to my message.
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 10/01/2020 04:16 PM
Here’s a map:
https://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/upload/CHOHmap-full-140922-v7-accessible.pdf
The Fool on the Bike from Pittsburgh on 10/01/2020 08:23 PM
I just rode solo from Pittsburgh to DC, and was happy to have printed the complete list of towns and mile markers off this site (along with the updated list of open pumps on https://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/conditions.htm).
Having the pages really kept me going during the long stretches on the C&O without signage, or the expected towns. (Little Orleans, I know you're there, up the hill, somewhere.) The only time I checked my phone to see where I was when when I expected Harper's Ferry at Mile 69.5, as posted here -- when it's actually at Mile 61. When it doubt, keep pedaling.
I saw more rat snakes on the C&0 than people. It was a fantastic ride over 3.5 days (sleeping in Meyersdale, Hancock and Brunswick). The improved surface from Mile 77 to 30 is nirvana, as is the Western Maryland Rail Trail. (If you're coming from Little Orleans, you can hop on it before Sideling Hill -- take the second ramp on your left. The first ramp puts you on the trail for a teasingly short stretch, before dumping you back on the C&0 for two miles.)
Gaby from Bowie,MD on 10/01/2020 10:11 PM
Thank you very much for the map! BTW, starting October 5th no more Amtrak from DC to Cumberland to take the bikes with just service from DC to BWI then a van from there to Cumberland. So disappointing. I guess I’ll be driving to get there.
New China One in McKeesport
-  + I think this place is out of business.
Discussion started 09/29/2020 10:33 AM by Bill in Houston - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 09/30/2020 02:03 PM)Bill in Houston from Houston on 09/29/2020 10:33 AM
I think this place is out of business.
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/30/2020 02:03 PM
I'll check it out when I get home from northwest Ohio and am riding through McKeesport as I frequently do. If it is, I'll contact the forum moderator to delete it as an available food service in McKeesport if it listed therein.
Advice to avoid handlebar palsy?
-  + Hello everyone!
Wanted to see if anyone here had any useful advice for what I can do to avoid/prevent ulnar neuropathy AKA handlebar palsy. I am planning to do the full CandO/GAP in November. The las...
Discussion started 09/26/2020 08:56 PM by Nw - 8 replies (last reply by LOA at 09/30/2020 07:29 AM)Nw from Baltimore on 09/26/2020 08:56 PM
Hello everyone!
Wanted to see if anyone here had any useful advice for what I can do to avoid/prevent ulnar neuropathy AKA handlebar palsy. I am planning to do the full CandO/GAP in November. The last time I did it, I basically couldn’t pinch my pinky and thumb together for a month after! Any gear, exercise, or set up advice is greatly appreciated! I am not a technically proficient rider, i just kind of go haha and I have a run of the mill Diamondback hybrid..Thanks and happy trails
Nw
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 09/26/2020 09:26 PM
Nw, I’ve can’t say I’ve had anything as extreme as that but I have experienced tingling and slight numbness in my hands during trips.
To avoid this now, I have a few strategies. One, I mix up my hand gripping of the handlebars every few minutes. Regular grip, palms facing out, just fingers, etc.
I also have handlebar extensions on the ends of my handlebars which not only give me an alternate grip, but I can also hunch down and lean my forearms down on the handlebars with my elbows wedged into them, allowing me to pedal and steer without fear of my arms slipping off the bike. This frees up my hands entirely, giving them a complete rest.
I don’t have these but the other option I’ve seen are those aero or tri bar extensions that extend out away and in front of you. They come with elbow cushions and two bars to rest your arms on and steer the bike in a crouched down position. Maybe someone here who has these can elaborate better than I or provide some examples.
Since adopting these strategies, my hands have been pain and numb free on any trips I’ve taken.
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/27/2020 08:32 AM
One of the simplest things to check/adjust or try is the angle of your saddle. Having your saddle level or nearly so will normally avoid a disproportionate amount of your weight on your hands/handlebars. While this alone won't likely solve all your discomfort, it may diminish it.
On an unrelated note and not knowing when in November you plan to ride, you may want to check that the Big Savage Tunnel has not been closed for the winter. You should be able to check this at one of the following sites:
https://allegheny-trail-alliance.business.site/
https://gaptrail.org/trail-info/trail-alerts
Velocipede from Bethesda on 09/27/2020 09:03 AM
Most things written about hand numbness on the bike seem to focus, understandably, on the hands -- gloves, padding, etc. For me, a problem with finger numbness on the bike was actually caused by a pinched nerve in the cervical spine and was resolved with a combination of improved posture on and off the bike and remembering to do chin tucks every so often on very long rides.
Matt from Charlotte on 09/28/2020 08:48 AM
in addition to suggestions about fit, take a look at Ergon GP series grips. they do an amazing job of increasing the contact area at the handle bar and reducing pressure points. https://www.ergonbike.com/en/product.html?a=griffe
for those with drop bars, it looks like RedShift have something in the pipeline similar: https://redshiftsports.com/products/cruise-control-drop-bar-grips
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/28/2020 02:29 PM
Matt's recommendation of the Ergon grips is spot on. I put them on my trail bike a few years ago to try them out and they've been there ever since. They do indeed spread the force on your hands over a larger area which reduces, if not eliminaes, the onset of numbness and tingling. In and of themselves they may not be the entire solution, but will likely be a significant contributor.
If you elect to try them out, just make sure they are the type and size for your bike when you buy them.
Adama from DC on 09/28/2020 11:15 PM
I have been having the same problem...I even bought a stem riser to get my bars up another inch or,two. I also have been focusing on my core muscles...and guess what...problem solved. Stronger core keeps my weight off my hands, less weight off hands makes pain go away. Returning the stem riser!!
Skymollie on 09/29/2020 08:21 AM
I was never able to stop my hand numbness when riding my hybrid. Numbness lasted for months. I had all sorts of handlebars, changed positions every minute, seat up or down, nothing helped. I switched to a recumbent trike. No more problems ever, with any body parts. They make some really cool ones these days that don't look like lawn chairs. You will ride further and enjoy every second, plus no more butt pain either. Good luck!
LOA from Chevy Chase,MD on 09/30/2020 07:29 AM
I've been using Ergon grips for years on my Brompton and my Mountain-bike when it's configured for bike packing. A couple of points: (1) I'm on my 3rd set of GP3 BioKork. Absolutely love them; (2) When installing, ensure they're fitted all the way Into the handlebars; (3) have someone hold the bike while you align the grips. And, then take tools with you as you ride so you can tweak the grips. It can be a bit unsettling when one grip is slightly out of alignment with the other (especially when using the outer bullhorns....which are very useful, by the way); (4) Torque those babies down! I've had them move on me even when I thought that they were secure. Hope this helps! Keep the rubber-side down!
Bike boxes for air travel - P-burgh
-  + Hello forum readers! I was wondering if anyone could offer some advice and/or help me to solve a problem. My family of 4 will be riding the C&O and GAP trail next week from DC to Pittsburgh. We liv...
Discussion started 09/28/2020 03:17 PM by Team Oregon - 1 reply (last reply by Team Oregon at 09/29/2020 12:33 PM)Team Oregon from Portland, OR on 09/28/2020 03:17 PM
Hello forum readers! I was wondering if anyone could offer some advice and/or help me to solve a problem. My family of 4 will be riding the C&O and GAP trail next week from DC to Pittsburgh. We live in Oregon, so we’re flying with our bikes to DC to start our trip, then we will fly home from Pittsburgh at the end. We will finish the ride at Point State Park on Saturday, October 11, then we fly home from PIT the afternoon of the 12th. Because we’re doing a one-way ride, I’m trying to figure out (and I’m having difficulty) how to get cardboard bike boxes (e.g., the kind that manufacturers send to shops for their bike builds) on the Pittsburgh end so that we can put our bike on the airplane for our flight home. Plan A was to simply ship boxes from home (where I can easily source them), but I've since learned that will be very expensive ($250). I've recently reached out to Thick Bikes and Kindred Cycles, since they're relatively close to our planned downtown hotel - awaiting responses and maybe they'll be able to help me out (i.e. they'd save boxes, I'll pay a fee and pick them up). But since the date is approaching fast, I was wondering if others had suggestions. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!
Team Oregon from Portland, OR on 09/29/2020 12:33 PM
Update: Here's a shout out to Kindred Cycles, Thick Bikes, and Golden Triangle Bike Rentals. I emailed these 3 bike shops in Pittsburgh and each promptly responded to confirm that they could save the 4 boxes that I needed. Following up to close the loop on this, in case anyone else ever needs to solve this problem. It was a relief to have the problem solved and a pleasant surprise to be able to arrange this so easily. Great people! As requested by one of the shops, in trade for the boxes I'll make a donation to the local bicycle advocacy group Bike Pittsburgh.
June Bug's Bar in Sutersville
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Discussion started 09/28/2020 02:27 PM by Bill in Houston - 0 repliesBill in Houston from Houston on 09/28/2020 02:27 PM
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Mama Pepino’s in West Newton
-  + New link https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mama%20Pepinos/120471677968026/
Discussion started 09/28/2020 12:05 PM by Bill in Houston - 0 repliesBill in Houston from Houston on 09/28/2020 12:05 PM
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Directions to Hillside Hotel, Knoxville, MD
-  + We needed directions from the C&O Canal towpath, but when we called the hotel, they had no idea regarding any bicycle path I might be speaking of and could not provide directions. Google Maps was no h...
Discussion started 09/24/2020 04:33 PM by East Tennessee Sunshine - 3 replies (last reply by East Tennessee Sunshine at 09/26/2020 08:25 PM)East Tennessee Sunshine from Clinton, TN on 09/24/2020 04:33 PM
We needed directions from the C&O Canal towpath, but when we called the hotel, they had no idea regarding any bicycle path I might be speaking of and could not provide directions. Google Maps was no help because it thought we were on a road instead of our actual location on the towpath. Finally, we were able to flag down a local biker who told us the way. To access this hotel from the C&O Canal Towpath or AT, get off the trail at mile marker 58, cross the train tracks, and take the left-most road 1.2 miles uphill to this hotel. There is a good liquor store right next door to the hotel, the Guide House Restaurant across the street, and a gas station next to the restaurant that also has limited hot food options. We were able to bring our bicycles into the room with us.
The motel was pretty run down. Next time, I think I'd check the lodging options in Brunswick.
Willy from Alexandria on 09/24/2020 07:49 PM
Sorry to hear of your issues regarding the Hillside Hotel. The place isn't rundown, but remember that the Hillside was built just after WW2. Places built later are made with the lessons learned from previous establishments.
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 09/25/2020 10:00 PM
East Tennessee Sunshine - If I had to guess, it’s because although Knoxville, MD appears to be right next to the trail, it’s not really an obvious “trail town” like many others and, as you’ve described, a pain to get to. I am surprised the hotel didn’t know about the C&O as I would guess a decent portion of their business comes from cyclists.
Many people were considering the Hillside as an alternative hotel destination while the pedestrian bridge at Harpers Ferry was out until recently.
John
East Tennessee Sunshine from Clinton, TN on 09/26/2020 08:25 PM
My main point was to let people know how to find the motel, since we had trouble. The Hillside Hotel is now a Knights Inn, and I don't think the attention to detail is probably the same as when the motel was privately owned. I would stay here again if the alternative was to schlep our gear across the bridge to Harpers Ferry.
I’m going to ride the gap start at Pittsburgh end in Leesburg. Looking for places to park the RV f
-  + My stepfather is driving an RV and going to meet us approximately 75 miles down the trail every day and was wondering if anybody knew good places to park an RV by the trail.
Discussion started 09/23/2020 08:12 PM by Steve Dugard - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 09/23/2020 08:29 PM)Steve Dugard from Leesburg va on 09/23/2020 08:12 PM
My stepfather is driving an RV and going to meet us approximately 75 miles down the trail every day and was wondering if anybody knew good places to park an RV by the trail.
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/23/2020 08:29 PM
The obvious places on the GAP would be in Ohiopyle and in Cumberland. There are parking lots in both towns where you could park an RV if you are not looking for hookups. Similarly, you could park an RV in Williamsport also. If you need hookups, then you will need to check out the various public and private parks along the way.
There is state park in Ohiopyle with services that accepts RV's. You'd need to make a reservation to do so.
Others may well have some other recommendations.
Water pumps losing handles!
-  + Hi everyone - this is just a PSA that the NPS pulled off a bunch of handles in the last few weeks. Make sure you check their Remote Water Faucet List towards the bottom of the page...here... https://...
Discussion started 09/22/2020 10:36 PM by Adama - 1 reply (last reply by John W. at 09/23/2020 08:46 AM)Adama from DC on 09/22/2020 10:36 PM
Hi everyone - this is just a PSA that the NPS pulled off a bunch of handles in the last few weeks. Make sure you check their Remote Water Faucet List towards the bottom of the page...here... https://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/conditions.htm#collapseCollapsible1600345572259
I ride almost every weekend between MM 30 and MM70 but took a few weeks off. My last trip this past weekend there were none open between Marble Quarry (MM 38) and Antietam Creek (MM69).
Fortunately, the weather has turned considerably more pleasant now, but I’d hate for someone to be ambushed on the water front.
Riding from DC to Cumberland in two weeks and I just added a third bottle cage, just in case!
John W. from Pittsburgh,PA on 09/23/2020 08:46 AM
Interesting that they are being pulled. I doubt it’s Covid related and it’s not winter yet (it’s barely even autumn yet) so this ones a head scratcher. Possible they did tests on the water there and it’s not fit for consumption?
Thanks for the heads up for anyone heading that way.