C&O / GAP Forum

Hoping to get a few people to chime in about saddle sore and nerve pain in the crotch area.

Anyone here dealing with this? Anyone found any resolution they wish to share?

I have been doing some icing recently and applying baby powder to keep the skin dry and reduce friction prior to heading out on the limited riding schedule I've opted to go with for now.

I will possibly be looking into a more comfort-oriented seat, although the one I have had been working fine for most of the 2 yrs I've been using it. Do seats lose cushioning ability with time and wear?? Anything anyone wants to add in is appreciated..

Seat. do wear out, but good ones last longer.High quality seats are longer live and more comfortable.What is you gender, seats and liner are gender specific. How about a chamious cream it helps.A nd the more you ride the more desensitized the area becomes.

I'm male and the seat is ergonomically designed for males. It has a cut-out/recess down the center where the major nerves run under the surface of the crotch area.

It seems possible the seat cushioning material has packed-down somewhat, over time and with usage, allowing for less of a cushioning effect and more likelihood of the cushioning material compressing enough to be as though you are sitting directly against the solid frame of the seat.

try readjusting your seat. make saure your back and sitting on the sit bones, it may help. I personally like Brooks Saddles.

Yes, I have adjusted the angle of the nose of the seat down slightly, to some small improvement.

I will see if I can find that seat maker you mentioned. Thanks.

check nashbar.com for Brooks Saddles

Yes seats will wear out over time, especially the all Gel seats. I have had a lot of success with Avenir's "Comfort Saddle" seat on my Mountain Bike. The Comfort Saddle has Springs as well as Gel. I can go 50 miles and don't have any issues at all. It is a very comfortable seat! Avenir did a great job with the overall design.

on my first long ride in a while I experienced numbness and the sensation of vibration for a few days after the ride. . however starting last year I've invested in better quality bike shorts and an anti-friction powder called "Anti Monkey Butt",,between that and a new seat I've felt pretty good on longer trips...

I guess we'll find out in August when I do 88 miles (my longest trip yet)...

Comfort seats tend to cause more pain on long bike trips so I would look at a more conventional touring saddle. The biggest thing is to spend the time adjusting the riding position to find your sweet spot. Even something like adjusting the seat a 1/2 inch forward or backward can make a big difference.

I highly recommend from "personal experience" Avenir's: "Passage Comfort Saddle". Approx. price: $28 to $30. I ride between 30 to 50 miles on my bike outings and have no issues. Great design.

How did the milage grid on this site get West Newton so out of place. Some, unfamiliar with the trail may get screwed up.

Lenny, thank you for pointing that out. Looks like a number was off when the mileage grid got calculated. I have fixed it.
Happy trails!

Hello. I'm trying to find low traffic cycling route between Morgantown, WV and Ohiopyle (or any other intersection with the GAP/C&O).

If no one else comments, I can check with a bike store in Morgantown, (Wamsley Cycles),and see if they have any suggestions. Where at in Morgantown would you like to start at?

Well, I'm a bit confused..

Your post title is Ohiopyle to Morgantown and the first respondent replied on the assumption you would be starting from Morgantown, I think..

Anyway, I'll reply as per the title of the topic and start in Ohiopyle. This is just from consulting google maps. You can use 381 south out of Ohiopyle. I believe this shouldn't be too heavily travelled a road to bike on, as this is a pretty rural area.

From there, a right onto US 40 (westbound). Not sure how traffic is or what type of shoulder area/bike lanes there are here..

Then you can turn left onto either Mountain Rd or Fairchance Rd and continue thru a couple junctions/turns along the way staying on a general Southwesterly track.

This takes you into Point Marion where you can pick up the Monongahela River Trail North, which takes you, minus any car traffic, the rest of the way to Morgantown.

Total trip time should be around about 5 hrs..

Consult further with google maps to determine your own actual route and street views see what these roads look like in photo and to determine your comfort with the shoulder space available on any of the above mentioned roads of travel.

You are right speedster. When I read "between Morgantown, WV and Ohiopyle" I assumed from Morgantown to Ohiopyle. If you are coming off the trail at Ohiopyle or Confluence, I believe it is a pretty good grade coming out of those.

Agreed. The grade on those roads coming south out of Ohiopyle is basically a series of hilly 'up-and-downs'. This route will not be any type of relatively smooth rail-trail type grades. More of an endurance-type trek.

On closer examination, I believe the quoted travel time to be optimistic at 5 hrs, due to all the climbing involved, where you'll be down to barely better than walking speeds on some of the hills.

Need information regarding biking from the airport to the GAP trail. Obvious solution from the map and articles I read is the airport connector trail to the Montour trail and taking the Montour to Clairton/Mckeesport. Is that the best option? Are there still gaps at the end of the montour trail?

Thats it . There are a lot of things the powers that be talk about and also act as if they have a complete trail,that is not the case. I have been riding this area for 5 years and every year its going to be completed.Good luck finding your way. I wish you a great ride.

Using airport connector to access the Montour trail and riding it to the Gap trail. Does Montour directly connect to Gap or is there a connecting route I should be aware of?

Google Great Allegheny Passage, click on maps. Then click on map segment 1. You will find that there is no direct connect near the city . I believe you may have to go out 20 or so miles .Goodluck

I realize that it is about 30 miles to the gap on the Montour trail. I have reviewed the map you mentioned and am concerned by the apparent nonexistence of the Montour trail as it approaches Clairton, Pa. Is it difficult to traverse get to Clairton and thereafter get to Mckeesport? How would you suggest I get to the Gap from the airport?

I think every body knows that I got that motel up & running. Before I took over the rooms were very dirty & I don't think they ever vacuum or shampoo the carpets. Four of the rooms were infested with bed bugs. I took care all the issues that were there before I started. I feel that I was a major asset to this motel. After I got this motel up to a 4.5 star Motel the owner Jt. Thakker showed up at the faculty @1:30am and told me to leave his property. I think think that this Motel was alot nicer after I took over but every one knows how it was before I became the manger. I miss all my regular guest that I became very close to. I think the owner made a huge mistake now it's back to the dump that it was before I started. It sad cause this Motel is in a great location for vacation for families.

Megan from England, did you do the ride in March? Tell us about it.

Arriving in Pitts. by train. What is the best way to get to the beginning of the GAP trail? Can I bike it or should I arrange some kind of shuttle?

You can ride from the station. go up Penn or Liberty Ave. towards town find the Boulevard of the Allies, head east to Grant St., Cross Grant and go down the side walk. You will come upon a small plaza, turn left. You are on the Great Allegheny Passage. How far are you going? Where are you from. How do you plan to get through Baldwin to Sandcastle. Read my entry from today.

Just wanted to ask folks on here what other trails you've travelled (besides C&O and GAP).

Any experiences good and bad about trails you've trekked, either in part or in full. How was the weather, was the trail surface an impediment, was it more of an urban or rural trail, was there scenic photo opportunites, any interesting side-trips in the vicinity of its location that are worth seeing, etc.

Hoping to get a few suggestions of other trails worth doing. Primarily focused on ones in the Northeast.

West Penn Trail Westmoreland-Indiana Pa. 16 miles very challenging buty extremly scenic. Ghost Town Trail Indiana-Cambria Pa. 60+miles. Hoddlebug Trail Indiana Pa. 12miles.Pine Creek Gorge 60+miles Jersy Shore to Wellsboro, Pa. These trails are all beautiful but unique in there own right. google tyhem they are on the net.

OK, thanks Lenny.

I did the Pine Creek Trail last year and enjoyed it, except for the rain I encountered that day. Started up at the Wellsboro end and made it all the way down to Jersey Shore. Will be looking into the other suggestions.

Anyone else have anything not already mentioned?

Here are some of my favorites-

The Katy- Across the state of MO. Over 200 miles long.

The Creeper- Only 60 miles long in southwest VA. Beutitful !

New River- Another VA trail, 75ish miles with little traffic.

The Comet/Cheif Ladiga- Atlanta GA to Aniston AL. 100 miles paved.

A few more I've never done but maybe someday-The Cowboy in Nebraska, the Greenbriar in WVA,and the Little Miami in OH.

Good Luck Paulie

Western Maryland Rail Trail
It actually parallels the C&O Canal for much of the way. 23 Miles Long starting at Big Pool, MD to Pierre. The trail is completely paved. My favorite section is after Hancock, MD where it gets more mountainous.
Pine Creek Gorge in Wellsboro, PA is great
Lehigh Gorge Trail in Jim Thorpe, PA is awesome

If you're looking for the ultimate hiking experience check out Rickett's Glen, PA. The waterfalls trail is incredible.
Always take your camera!

Randy, good call on the Western Md.I missed that one. Also there is talk of extending the WMT to Cumberland.

Yes, forgot to mention that I covered half of the WMRT on my tour of the C&O.

It was a nice change of pace going from the loose gravel of the C&O onto the paved surface of the WMRT. Almost felt like the bike drove itself, the level of resistance was such a contrast.

I almost missed the crossover point at Pearre to get to the WMRT though, signage was either non-existent or I must have missed it.

I would welcome an extension of the WMRT to Cumberland. Seems like a no-brainer, though I imagine it would take a few yrs to bring things to fruition.

I think I use Lock 56 or 57 as my jumping off point from the C7O to WMRT. I think they were surveying last July when I went through.

Here's a question..

Has anyone done the Decker's Creek and/or Mon (Monongahela)River Trail in WV?? It's located in/around the Morgantown area. Would like to hear from anybody that's trekked thru there with any thoughts/opinions about the basic aspects of the trail like scenery, trail surface, etc.

I've done short day trip on several trail... I've been lucky that all of them have been good rides...

Pine Creek Gorge Trail (Wellsboro, PA) ... did 40 miles in 2010 (my first long trip in nearly 15 years) this is a great trail and very scenic...

York County Heritage/Northern Central Railroad (York, PA to Monkton, MD) trails are good as well... I did the NCR when I was younger and recently started riding sections of the YCH ... some nice business have sprouted up along the trail

Lehigh Vally Gorge (Jim Thorpe)... this is my current favorite trail... I usually take the shuttle and ride down to Jim Thorpe... it's got some sandy areas which can be challenging but the ride is nice and relaxed...

Perkiomen Trail ... I just rode this for the first time this week .. I only rode the southern half and back .. it's in good shape and well maintained .. I started at the halfway point because there is a serious 12% grade section just about 5 miles in on the Northern half...

This is for Speedster regarding Decker's Creek. I have rode that trail a number of times. It is a good climb for a trail. Reminds me of the trail at Cumberland towards Big Savage. Go to Montrails.org for good info. You come out of Morgantown and follow the creek for a ways. Overall, in my opinion, it is not the most scenic trail you'll ever be on. There is a good stretch that has a nice hard running water, big rocks thing going on. Not really rapids or waterfalls but cool none the less. The trail itself is in good condition. There are a several other trails that join the Decker's Creek trail and they are all in good condition.

IAM PLANNING AN AUGUST RIDE USING CREDIT CARD AND HOTELS COVERING BOTH THE GAP & C&O. MY MAJOR CONCERN IS RAINS AND AVAILIBILITY OF LODGING. ALL THOUGHTS ARE APPRECIATED.

August is one of our hot months in this area. In past years, we did not get a lot of rain during August but this season our normal weather pattern are anything but normal. If our "normal" weather pattern full in place, I believe you will be OK regarding rain. When I go on tour, I always try to build at least one day into the tour to wait for bad weather to pass.

My thinking is to pack a raincoat and cover your gear/pannier with a piece of tarp and pretty much try continuing as planned.

Rain is tough to totally avoid on any multi-day tour, so best to be prepared. Even on many 2 day tours I've ridden, its been almost impossible to avoid the dreaded rain. On this particular tour I'm referring to, it included 3 previous weekends of packing and cancelling last minute due to unfavourable conditions.
The week I finally decided on when clear conditions were called for, it still rained most of the time!

Some people on here will tell you your best strategy is to camp longer and wait it out. Not me though. Typically, you've already gotten wet since rain doesn't time out as your reach your campsite for the night or when cover is near. Taking a rest day to dry out seems wasteful to my sensibilites, your gear will actually dry faster in the wind riding!

If its a total lightning storm, obviously use your good sense, but light showers and stuff of that nature, I've personally always opted to push onward (sometimes due to time restirctions on when I've needed to be back).

I'm sure many others will say to pack down for a while and wait, but I just find in some cases, with time the conditions may actual worsen or stay in a wet pattern for a week or more. Then what! At some point you have to brave the conditions..

I have3 done the Ride a few times and it has rained at least 1 day out of the 5. I, nor any of my mates have stopped for a minute. But you must pack right, everything in plastic bags.I don't even use a rain fly, at 12 mph you get wet inside so way waste the space, and weight.

I am doing the same trip (only a smaller portion of the trail) .. when are you going?

there are B&Bs or campgrounds or hostels all along the GAP section of the trail... it all depends on how long you want to ride each day and if you are the type that wants to go as far as you can and then look for a place to stay for the night . . .

I'm the other type I'll plan (and reserve) my lodging in advance and take my ride at a more leisurely pace . . stopping to enjoy the trail and take photos . .

Planning on doing the ride--now looking at the last week of August. Planning on doing 45 miles a day--that looks like it is the spacing for hotels.

DB...

I'm doing 44 miles a day for the same reason (lodging spacing) . . .I'm going the first week in August and only doing a two day 88 mile ride form Connelsville PA to Cumberland MD . . .so I'll try to check in after the ride and give you an update. . .

Let me know where you guys will be, if it is a weekend day I'll do a trailhead or so with you.

Mr. Purple Paul, Connellsville to Cumberland is 91 miles.

lenny . . .

I'm just going from what the mileage chart on here states . . .I doubt the extra 3 miles will make a difference . . but it's good to know .. thanks

We are five couples aged 60 to 70 years old riding the trail from Confluence to Rockwood. I have a concern of the elevation climb of the trail. Is it a challenging up hill climb? Should we consider reversing the direction of our trip?

Just did it Saturday, it is 19 miles. Down hill is easy, wife and I did it in 1hr. 20 min. Back was a little longer 1:45. we are 58 and 57 years of age. Your question is hard to answer, what have you done lately? Do you ride 20 miles regularly? How about the heat?

The grade in that section is nothing very oppressive from what I remember doing it last yr, though I do gather you folks are retirement aged (or thereabouts), so outright stamina probably isn't your strong suit, given age.

Cumberland to Frostburg I believe is the worst direction to be heading as far as grade climb is concerned. Going the other way though from Frostburg to Cumberland is an easy ride for someone with lower endurance as it is a total downhill coast, with little if any pedalling required.

It is the 4th steepest on the GAP, and over 19 miles long ,but still only 1.5% grade.

Thanks to all. We have been trying to get into shape, 14 miles so far has been the longest ride. We will be taking breaks, checking out the view, etc so it sounds like we will be ok, especially since they are calling for cooler weather. We are hoping the rain holds off.

You should be able to do that part of the trail, Just pace yourself, take a few snacks with you - Clif Bar, banana, apple, etc. I suggest you invest in a couple of tubes of electrolyte tablets, such as NUUN, etc. Drink plenty of fluids and enjoy your ride. Also ride a lot before you ride the GAP. Fives miles is better than no miles and before you go do a couple of rides that are at least 75% of the distance you plan to ride.

Bob, be sure to stop on the Pinkerton Bridge and get a look at the Casselman River. One of my favorites

I camped here for the first time on 5/27/12. Not 10 minutes after arriving, DNR rangers ordered me to move my vehicle (which I had to pay EXTRA to bring onto the grounds)to a grass area where I sunk in 8 inches of mud. While setting up camp around 9pm, the same officer (Officer Brumagin)told us to be quiet because "people are sleeping." He left and came back after catching us having a short laugh and advised we whisper the remainder of the night, or pack up and go home. THE CAMPSITES ARE TINY and bath houses are dirty and full of bugs! DO NOT CAMP HERE IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO HAVE FUN WITH YOUR FAMILY!!

We are planning to ride from Williamsport to Cumberland starting Friday May 25th and returning to Williamsport Tuesday May 29th. Because of all the rain lately, I am concerned about trail conditions. Any information about trail conditions is appreciated. We are riding a touring tandem with 40 mm X 26" tires and plan to camp and cook along the way. This is my wife's first tour.

Been tracking the condiditons, as well, I'll be on that stretch with my kids over the weekend. Reports are good, all H/B sites are open, no water pump closures. Towpath is fine. Since it's been really dry in the previous weeks, the recent rains have not had a negative effect. Some minor mud patches, but nothing that should require dismounting. Perhaps we'll cross paths along the way.

Thank you for the update on the trail conditions. Hancock's C&O Bicycles, and the Cumberland visitor's center concur with your report. The Williamsport visitors center reported muddy conditions. We plan to drive to Williamsport tomorrow and head toward Cumberland with a planned arrival in Cumberland, late Saturday. We are riding a cherry red/sunrise yellow Co-Motion tandem fitted with yellow Ortlieb panniers. Perhaps our paths will cross.

Friday, 25 May, we rode our fully loaded tandem from Williamsport to 15 mile Creek Campground. The trail from Williamsport to Ft Frederick was muddy in spots. Periodically, we had to stop remove the mud "brake" stuck between the fender and front tire. At Fort Frederick we turned unto the road leading to the fort and continued through Fort Frederick State Park. At the T-intersection we turned left unto Rt 56. After about a mile, we turned onto the Western Maryland Rail Trail (WMRT). The C&O Trail from the western end of the WMRT to 15 mile creek was in good condition.

http://ridewithgps.com/routes/1233828

Rode Rockwood to Confluence on Saturday.Met a lot of first time riders to DC. Trail was in great shape, very hard and fast (38 miles/3hr 10min). Last year noticed forest clearing on top of Pinkerton Mt., this year it is excavated and leveled. Does any one know what is happening on top of that mountain? Also could see threw Pinkerton tunnel, only about 150 yds.,the shufly is almost 2 miles.