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Whites ferry closing
 -  + Hello all, I am going to be going on the C and O from Cumberland to DC at the end of the month, most of the plans are pretty solid at this point but had some concerns about the Whites Ferry closing. ...
Discussion started 10/12/2021 08:34 AM by Raven - 18 replies (last reply by Rivnuts at 01/11/2022 10:40 AM)
Raven from Culpeper on 10/12/2021 08:34 AM
Hello all, I am going to be going on the C and O from Cumberland to DC at the end of the month, most of the plans are pretty solid at this point but had some concerns about the Whites Ferry closing. Is there anything that I need to know about it? Is there a pedestrian bridge to cross in its place or maybe a detour that is safe to take? Thanks for the impute.

 
Willy from Alexandria,VA on 10/12/2021 09:32 AM
Whites Ferry is still closed unfortunately.
No pedestrian or other bridge anywhere nearby.

 
Raven from Culpeper on 10/12/2021 10:44 AM
Willy, what did you end up doing to get over the river?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/12/2021 11:29 AM
Bikerafting is your only option. :-)

Seriously, another poster to the forum stated that the Comfort Inn in Leesburg is offering their shuttle service from Point of Rocks if you were staying there overnight.

 
Willy from Alexandria,VA on 10/13/2021 06:47 PM
Well... the closest to reasonable crossing is Brunswick.

You can google a more scenic but less traffic route from Brunswick to Purcelville,Va without having to be on Berlin turnpike the entire way.

Then you are on the Washington & Old Dominion trail on the way to Washington DC. This trail crosses thru Leesburg.

Having said this it will test your lowest gear going up the hill from the bridge at Brunswick. That part you will be jousting with traffic.

Still less frantic than trying to cross at Point of Rocks (Route 15 bridge).

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/26/2021 10:51 AM
Irrespective of any ongoing efforts to politically regain the ferry service, there would be another obstacle for the ferry to return to operation. The ferry boat itself appears to be seriously damaged as it was apparently partially towed up the MD side approach ramp where it rests today with half the hull in the water and the half on the ramp. The hull appears badly buckled where the ramp enters the river. It is questionable if it could be easily repaired.

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 10/26/2021 12:29 PM
That'll buff right out.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/18/2021 10:40 AM
Bill:

I read the other day where the ferry is actually a combination of two barges so maybe that buckle in the middle I saw on the ramp was simple the joint between the two barges. If so, then indeed it may indeed "buff right out" and the ferry can be returned to service fairly quickly if a solution to the dispute can be found.

 
Jughead beauregard on 01/01/2022 10:56 AM
Contrary to popular belief you don’t need to cross White’s Ferry to go from Cumberland to DC. As a matter of fact if you do cross the Potomac your going the wrong direction.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 01/01/2022 01:09 PM
Indeed you don’t need to leave the C&O Towpath and cross the Potomac River on White’s Ferry to continue from Cumberland to DC. However, you may want to cross the river to visit or stay overnight in Leesburg or complete the trip to DC via the Washington and Old Dominion (WOD) Trail. In these cases, it is a good option which currently is not available.

 
Kirk R from Brunswick, MD on 01/06/2022 05:58 AM
You can always cross the potomac at brunswick, take the mostly dirt roads in loudoun county to the w&od, and head in to DC. There's a bit of paved road and the bridge across the potomac isn't the greatest if you're uncomfortable around cars but it's certainly doable.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 01/06/2022 08:57 AM
Kirk R:

Do you have or can you direct me to a Strava, Ridewithgps or Mapmyride route map of the route you describe from Brunswick through Loudon County to the WOD? I’ve ridden from the WOD in Purcellville to Harpers Ferry but not from/to Brunswick.

 
Willy from Alexandria,VA on 01/06/2022 09:25 AM
Rivnuts, I used Google maps with the bicycle icon routing to plot the route between Brunswick and Purcleville.

I don't remember any "dirt roads" on my travels between Brunswick and Purcelville. All roads were paved. Some were not pristine, but they were paved.

I also spent a little time looking at the route on the Google map with zooming in and out to somewhat familiarize myself with the route before riding so that I am not all wound up thinking I'm going to miss a turn somewhere. I don't like staring at my phone while riding.

Enjoy the ride!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 01/06/2022 04:27 PM
Willy:

Thanks I'll look at the Google route. I was curious about the "dirt" roads in Loudon County albeit I don't know that I would travel them on my touring bike depending on their quality.

 
Kirk R from Brunswick, MD on 01/06/2022 06:41 PM
I would personally spend most of my time on mountain rd, which is a low traffic, nicely paved, road. It does have a good long climb on it, which is a big contrast from the tow path. Here's a route I made for someone (on this site, I think) and have used: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/35184094

There are a lot of gravel/dirt roads in loudoun county. It's one of the things that part of the county it known for (and there are efforts to keep them unpaved). You can zoom in to loudoun county on this state-wide map to see some of it. I have not verified that it's accurate (I live here so I just ride and see). https://vdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=e4e9638690634fafae8bccb63abbee7c

 
Kirk R from Brunswick, MD on 01/06/2022 06:46 PM
Oops, I just posted up a route from brunswick to the W&OD that is more gravel/dirt. I meant to post one that takes mountain rd (a little further west than the route I posted). I should have looked at it more closely. I'll look through my routes and see if I have one already made with mountain rd on it.

There can be some pretty washboard sections on the gravel/dirt roads including towards the end of purcellville rd from the route I mistakenly posted... I ride them on 32mm tires but do prefer the 50mm ones I've got on one of my bikes.

 
Kirk R from Brunswick, MD on 01/06/2022 06:53 PM
Here's a route from brunswick to the w&od that is mostly paved: https://ridewithgps.com/routes/38306515

You also have the option of staying on mountain rd into hillsboro and then taking 9 briefly before taking hillsboro rd into purcellville. There can be more traffic on hillsboro rd.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 01/06/2022 09:39 PM
Thank you

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 01/11/2022 10:40 AM
Below is a link to the latest AP article pertaining to the closure and status of Whites Ferry. Unfortunately, the article doesn't suggest any progress in the stalemate which is disappointing as we look forward to the 2022 touring season.


https://www.pilotonline.com/news/transportation/vp-nw-whites-ferry-20220109-migizui6bnbylcpgyjettpwn3e-story.html


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Path conditions after winter storm?
 -  + Hi all - has anyone been on the C&O path in the last 24 hours? Looking for a place to get a long run in (without using micro spikes) after this winter storm... and curious if the canal path is softer/...
Discussion started 01/05/2022 10:44 AM by Trail runner - 1 reply (last reply by Kirk R at 01/06/2022 05:55 AM)
Trail runner on 01/05/2022 10:44 AM
Hi all - has anyone been on the C&O path in the last 24 hours? Looking for a place to get a long run in (without using micro spikes) after this winter storm... and curious if the canal path is softer/less icy than sidewalks around the District.

Thanks!

 
Kirk R from Brunswick, MD on 01/06/2022 05:55 AM
We didn't really get any snow near Brunswick. We're supposed to get some tonight though.


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C & O trail from DC to Cumberland MD
 -  + The only review I have seen was from 2007. Has anyone been there since? I want to ride the entire 185 miles this summer. Thanks.
Discussion started 01/04/2022 05:29 PM by PSR - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 01/05/2022 06:48 PM)
PSR from Randolph NJ on 01/04/2022 05:29 PM
The only review I have seen was from 2007. Has anyone been there since? I want to ride the entire 185 miles this summer. Thanks.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 01/05/2022 06:48 PM
There is a vast wealth of information related to the C&O Towpath including this website, various blogs and YouTube channels with which to plan a trip. The Forum on this website has innumerable useful threads containing reviews of all sorts of aspects of the Towpath.

I've ridden the entire length of the Towpath (and the GAP) each of the last seven years. What type of information are you specifically looking for?


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Campsite reservations
 -  + A group of about 10 of us are bikecamping the GAPCO from Pittsburgh to Richmond next June, and I am trying to figure out the recreation.gov campsites. We each carry a small 1-person tent, so how man...
Discussion started 12/29/2021 04:44 PM by J - 2 replies (last reply by Edward at 12/30/2021 06:26 PM)
J on 12/29/2021 03:44 PM
A group of about 10 of us are bikecamping the GAPCO from Pittsburgh to Richmond next June, and I am trying to figure out the recreation.gov campsites.

We each carry a small 1-person tent, so how many campsites should I reserve for this??

I see the notes for group campsites, but that seems to be for those coming with cars and more stuff.

Any guidance appreciated.!!!!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 12/29/2021 10:33 PM
The Recreation.gov website does not appear to be the most useful in locating campsites along the GAP and C&O Towpath. In general, for the free campsites along both trails, there are no stipulated limits because there are no uniquely designated/numbered campsites within these. The one exception to this that comes to mind is Swain’s Lock H/B campsite near DC which has 5 numbered campsites.

For the pay-to-stay campsites it depends on the operator. These include private campgrounds (e.g. KOA/YMCA), state and federal parks (e.g. Corps of Engineers and National Park Service). The limits vary between these and you’d need to research/contact these for the answer to each.

The various webpages for each of these trails provide the best and most targeted resources to find the free and pay-to-stay campsites. I can provide some links to these if needed or specific options knowing your itinerary/overnight locations.

 
Edward from North Carolina on 12/30/2021 06:26 PM
Hi there,

If you look under the campsite details it will tell you the maximum occupants. Some may have 6 or 8 max. occupants, but I think you might be pressed to set up that many tents in the space that is provided.

The Spring Gap and Antietam Creek campgrounds on the C&O had plenty of space, so you could probably set up ten tents in two sites.

The Outflow Campground space was more limited so you might get three tents in the provided space.

It might be better for you to get a group campsite, I saw Scout Troops using those on my trip last year.

Have a great trip, Edward



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Uniontown KOA Holiday in Connellsville
 -  + hi, well never did stay here, but was biking on the GAP with my son end of March, and we were bonking and dry when we rode through this KOA. Unfortunately, it was closed seasonally, but in the 'cafe'...
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Dan Hruska from San Carlos, CA on 12/24/2021 02:30 AM
hi, well never did stay here, but was biking on the GAP with my son end of March, and we were bonking and dry when we rode through this KOA. Unfortunately, it was closed seasonally, but in the 'cafe' we noticed a woman there doing some work (the owner?). We asked her if there was any water available, and she kindly filled our bottles up. She could have sent us packing but instead helped us out. Thanks again!


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Bill's Place in Little Orleans
 -  + Hi, came upon Bill's Place this past March while biking from PA to DC with my son. It was a great place to warm up, and soup was tasty, food hit the spot, and drink was gooood. Down to earth. Wonde...
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Dan Hruska from San Carlos, CA on 12/24/2021 01:53 AM
Hi, came upon Bill's Place this past March while biking from PA to DC with my son. It was a great place to warm up, and soup was tasty, food hit the spot, and drink was gooood. Down to earth. Wonderful folks. Thanks for being there.


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Transport home along trail
 -  + I saw a couple of questions and comments about how to arrange return trips from various points along the trail, and thought I would add my two cents. What we learned is that it was far easier, and ch...
Discussion started 12/10/2021 12:59 PM by YooperBoy - 1 reply (last reply by Bill in Houston at 12/10/2021 06:32 PM)
YooperBoy from Wilmington, DE on 12/10/2021 12:59 PM
I saw a couple of questions and comments about how to arrange return trips from various points along the trail, and thought I would add my two cents.

What we learned is that it was far easier, and cheaper, to rent a U-Haul one way back to Wilmington, as opposed to a rental car of any size! Like, 1/3 as much! I recommend that option highly if you find yourself in a situation like we did.

My riding buddy and I started our GAP/C&O trip in September, and had a great experience for the first couple of days. This was our first tour, and we were riding with far too much gear, but the first three days were great. Pittsburgh to Connellsville, Connellsville to Rockwood, Rockwood to Cumberland. We started late and had slim pickings for dinner on a Sunday in Connellsville, spent too much time at Fallingwater outside of Ohiopyle and missed dinner completely in Rockwood - that town closes up early - and got to Cumberland with plenty of daylight left.

I began to have issues on the C&O trail, especially as the temperature climbed. I'm diabetic and wasn't doing a good job with my sugars, and ran into trouble right around Paw Paw. I got sagged by some new friends into Hancock, and thought all would be good the next day. However, we hit the detour around Taylors Landing (mile 89) and that nearly killed me. As we got back onto the trail, I fell further behind, winding up by myself just slogging toward our next stop in Harpers Ferry.

Around mile 74, I found myself alone in the woods at 8:15 pm, in darkness like an abandoned mine, with a flat front tire. I managed to replace my tube in the dark, then had the chain fall off. Once I was finally back on my bike, nearing the point of exhaustion but still moving, it began to rain! I just kept plugging away, and caught up to my buddy at the campground at Antietam Creek, where he had taken shelter with Gary, the manager (an outstanding human being!!). We got a call from our friends asking where we were, and they came and got us, taking us into Harpers Ferry about 10:30 and again missing anything to eat.

It was at that point where we both decided we had bitten off more than we could chew, and it was time to call the ball, hence our U-Haul rental.

We learned a lot from the ride, and are starting to look towards our next attempt - when both the Paw Paw and Taylors Landing detours are completed!

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 12/10/2021 06:32 PM
One of the things I always say, and I worry that people think I am being petty, is that you absolutely have to know how and where you are going to eat. These little towns ain't like the big cities that a lot of us live in.

You guys were banging out the mileage. It's a shame that the wheels kind of fell off. Thanks for the post.


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C&O and GAP May 2022
 -  + Planning Pittsburgh to Great Falls/DC in mid May. Six days, hotels, restaurants, no camping. Anyone planning a similar ride? Advice?
Discussion started 12/09/2021 04:50 PM by Chris - 1 reply (last reply by Rivnuts at 12/09/2021 07:56 PM)
Chris from Chicago on 12/09/2021 04:50 PM
Planning Pittsburgh to Great Falls/DC in mid May. Six days, hotels, restaurants, no camping. Anyone planning a similar ride? Advice?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 12/09/2021 07:56 PM
I'm not currently planning the trip you've outlined, i.e. Pittsburgh to Great Falls (aka Seneca) over six days but have made a handful of trips between Pittsburgh and DC in recent years. Hence if I were making your trip a couple of itinerary options you might consider with daily mileage listed are as follows:

00 Pittsburgh
46 Perryopolis
58 Rockwood
44 Cumberland
60 Hancock
52 Shepherdstown
58 Great Falls (Seneca)

00 Pittsburgh
59 Connellsville
57 Meyersdale
60 Paw Paw
57 Williamsport
45 Brunswick
31 Great Falls (Seneca)

You can look under the "Towns and Services" tab in this forum for lodging and restaurant options in each of the overnight destinations. I've stayed and eaten at several of them. Depending on budget and preferences your choices may be quite different from mine.

I'm sure others will have some other suggestions as well.

May is a great month to make the trip. Not too hot and not too cold and accommodations are a little easier to get before the peak summer touring season.


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Big Savage Tunnel Closure
 -  + The GAP Trail website reports that the Big Savage tunnel will close for the winter season on December 6. There is no detour.
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Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/15/2021 11:20 PM
The GAP Trail website reports that the Big Savage tunnel will close for the winter season on December 6. There is no detour.


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Transportation Connellsville to meyersdale nov 22
 -  + Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to w...
Discussion started 11/12/2021 10:28 AM by Nw - 2 replies (last reply by Edward at 11/14/2021 09:43 PM)
Nw from Baltimore on 11/12/2021 10:28 AM
Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to wilderness voyagers but they are closed for the season. Thank you so much!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 11/12/2021 08:58 PM
I don't know a specific shuttle operator to recommend around Connellsville but I might suggest you query the bike shop in Connellsville for possible shuttles from there. They can be reached at:

Bikes Unlimited
(724) 628-2453

 
Edward from North Carolina on 11/14/2021 09:43 PM
Might try these folks https://www.alleghenytrailhouse.com/shuttle/


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Lock #05 in Bethesda
 -  + We wanted to go to lock 5 towpath to walk. our gps didn't get us to the way to get there. We got off the parkway and asked people in neighborhood It was to high up to safely walk down below. We co...
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We wanted to go to lock 5 towpath to walk. our gps
didn't get us to the way to get there. We got off the parkway
and asked people in neighborhood It was to high up to safely
walk down below. We could see the lower area but struggled and gave up and went to lock 7.

Help to clarify to get to lower section


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Transportation Connellsville to meyersdale nov 22
 -  + Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to w...
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Hey everyone! I am doing the full 350 in late November and my mom will join for one day. Does anyone have any reccomendations for transport from Connellsville to meyersdale for her? I reached out to wilderness voyagers but they are closed for the season. Thank you so much!


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Detours Point of Rocks to DC?
 -  + Is there any detour on the C&O from the Point of Rocks trailhead to Washington DC? I was driving on the Clara Barton highway and the road was closed after Cabin John. Since the trail is close by I am ...
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Is there any detour on the C&O from the Point of Rocks trailhead to Washington DC? I was driving on the Clara Barton highway and the road was closed after Cabin John. Since the trail is close by I am wondering if the trail is closed there also.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 11/10/2021 09:49 PM
There were no detours in that area when I rode through there 3 weeks ago. There are no Towpath detours listed in that area on the NPS C&O webpage either.


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Transportation
 -  + Planning a one way from Pittsburgh to DC this spring on our tandem with a trailer. Any suggestions for getting our bike/trailer to Pittsburg for the start?
Discussion started 11/02/2021 01:55 PM by Team Novelty Act - 3 replies (last reply by Sarge P at 11/04/2021 09:41 AM)
Team Novelty Act from Pennellville on 11/02/2021 01:55 PM
Planning a one way from Pittsburgh to DC this spring on our tandem with a trailer. Any suggestions for getting our bike/trailer to Pittsburg for the start?

 
Bill in Houston from Houston on 11/02/2021 03:54 PM
Rent a car. The train won't take trailers or tandems, they say.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 11/02/2021 04:56 PM
Amtrak’s prohibition of tandems stems from the fact that their special cars for bikes have hanging racks for the bikes that would not accommodate larger/longer tandem bikes. However, the last few return trips that I’ve made on the train did not have that unique bike transport car. They just used one of their baggage cars and had me lean my bike up against the wall of the car or lay it down on the floor. The bikes shared the car with other baggage. Those baggage cars could haul a tandem but I guess they don’t know what type of car will be used to transport bikes on each train for any given route so they just prohibit tandem reservations altogether which is unfortunate.

With a dearth of rental cars available at many locations, you may have to employ a shuttle service to get you back to Pittsburgh. Neither the rental car nor the shuttle service is cheap.

 
Sarge P from Sarasota, Fl. on 11/04/2021 09:41 AM
I rode the same trip this past summer. In DC/Arlington, I stayed at the Hampton Inn just west of the Reagan Airport. The hotel shuttled me and the bike to the airport (5 minutes, and a tip to the driver) where I had reserved a pick-up truck from Hertz for the one-way rental trip back to Pittsburgh. The total cost for the rental was $223.10. It worked out perfectly and was well worth the price. I hope this helps in your planning.


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Paw Paw Tunnel
 -  + I know there has been much discussion regarding the Paw Paw tunnel, so please bear with me. We are riding a part of the C&O canal next week and will be approaching the tunnel from the DC side. One of ...
Discussion started 10/07/2021 07:02 PM by Barry - 9 replies (last reply by EdAA at 10/29/2021 05:32 PM)
Barry from Hershey on 10/07/2021 07:02 PM
I know there has been much discussion regarding the Paw Paw tunnel, so please bear with me. We are riding a part of the C&O canal next week and will be approaching the tunnel from the DC side. One of our stops is the Canal Cabins on Wednesday. We're assuming that we have to take the detour and the tunnel is still closed. I thought I heard about an alternative to the "up and over" detour with the 375 ft elevation change. Possibly the Tunnel Hill Road and route 51? Has anyone gone to the tunnel (from the DC side) in the last week or so? Any current, accurate information would be appreciated. Thanks!

 
Edward from North Carolina on 10/07/2021 08:23 PM
Rick from Florida on 09/21/2021 07:15 AM
I just rode the Paw Paw Bypass option (Sulphur Springs Rd, to Oldtown to Malcolm Rd to Tunnel Hill Rd) on Sunday the 19th. This connects with the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail at the top of Tunnel Hill. You then have to take the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail down to the C&O path. The option of going on these roads works well going from Cumberland to Little Orleans, however if you are going from Little Orleans to Cumberland you have no option to pushing your bike up the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail. If you are going this direction you are probably better off staying on the Bypass trail to get back to the C&O. Just an FYI there are a couple if steeper sections on Sulpher Springs Rd and Tunnel Hill Road. They are ridable though. These are also public roads with no shoulder, so beware of traffic, especially on Oldtown Rd. (51).

 
Art on 10/07/2021 08:27 PM
I will probably come across as a bit of a jerk (story of my life) but if you have the luxury of navigating this trail on a bike I kind of chuckle at the lamentations over taking the detour.

My wife and I just walked the 185 miles and every 1/10 of a mile mattered. There were times I would have carried a bike (instead of my 40 lbs pack back) a mile up hill for the convenience of sitting on it for the next 30 miles.

Lol…for what it’s worth, we snuck around the tunnel barriers and were damned relieved to be able to do so.

Enjoy!

 
Barry from Hershey on 10/08/2021 09:37 AM
I really enjoy riding the C&O and Gap trail. We normally do a 3-4 day trip in the Spring and then in the Fall. I am 72 years old and have a very rare type of Muscular Dystrophy that is somewhat limiting, but not nearly as disabling as many other folks deal with. So, I use an electric bike and normally ride on pedal assist which allows me to enjoy the outdoors and still ride decent daily miles. My reason for trying to get the latest information on the tunnel, is the conflicting stories-sometimes it's open and sometimes it isn't and all sorts of other scenarios. If we have to take the detour, I'll (we'll) deal with that. I appreciate all the input and should have explained my situation in my earlier post. Enjoy the ride!

 
Art on 10/08/2021 12:32 PM
Understood!

I can tell you that the tunnel is definitely closed and blocked off, so the only alternative are the detours. Good luck and enjoy your trip!

 
Barry from Hershey on 10/08/2021 04:40 PM
Thanks Art!

 
Biker Bob on 10/10/2021 08:17 PM
We are planning to hit the trail in the coming week and it looks like there's a good detour bypassing the trail at Little Orleans (from the DC side) and heading up Oldtown Orleans Rd to Malcom Rd then hitting 51 back to the trail.

It looks like some nice gravel riding. Anyone done this? Don't feel like being chased by dogs...

 
Barry from Hershey on 10/16/2021 07:18 PM
Well, we did the Paw Paw Tunnel detour (DC side) on Wednesday and somehow managed to avoid heart failure. It was anything but easy (for me), but I made it. I want to highly recommend the "Canal Cabins in Paw Paw." Really great, clean accommodations. Also had a unique cultural experience at "Big & Tiny's" wings in Paw Paw. Food was terrific. Loved the folks that were there and hope to go back next ride. Paw Paw has a paved bike path to the edge of town and it looks like they are hoping for more business from the C&O riders.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/25/2021 08:06 PM
I traversed the Paw Paw Tunnel bypass trail on 10/20. As I recalled from doing so a few years ago when the tunnel itself was closed, it is steep with poor footing even in dry weather particularly the uphill climb going downriver. That said it did not take me as long as I had reported from memory a few years ago. It took me about 20 minutes to push my loaded bike up the hill stopping frequently to take a breather and 10 minutes to ride all but the first, say, 50 steep downhill yards which I also pushed. Given that you would normally walk through the long tunnel itself when the towpath is passable, the net additional time that the detour adds to the trip is rather modest. Maybe 15 or 20 minutes.

That said, less physically able or experienced riders would do well to find a shuttle around the Tunnel or to the top of the fire road at the top of the tunnel bypass. It was reported that a shuttle service to do so was available for $50 which might be well spent money for some casual tourers.

 
EdAA from Ann Arbor on 10/29/2021 05:32 PM
In case others are looking at this thread to decide how to navigate around this, I'll throw in another data point. As always, your mileage may vary.

My wife and I dealt with the bypass on October 17th, on the 5th of our 8 day journey from Pittsburgh to DC. The 17th was sunny, but the trail had a few wet spots from the rain the day before.

For calibration, my wife and I are in our 60s, and are in pretty good shape. (My wife had a knee replacement a little over a year ago.) We like to hike as well as bike, so climbing a hill is well within our comfort zone, at least without having to push a bike. Our biking is only on paved and dirt roads - we are not even remotely mountain bikers.

It took us about an hour to complete the bypass. We walked the entire way, and weren't in a rush so we'd stop to read historical signs, enjoy views, etc. We changed into walking shoes (sneakers) before starting. I also put the shoulder straps on my panniers and carried them (about 35 pounds) on my back rather than on the bike, since pushing the (top)heavy bike uphill with my arms stretched out enough that my legs didn't bang into the panniers was awkward and tiring. I put my wife's smaller and lighter (10-15 pounds) panniers on my bike, so she only had to push the weight of her bike. With a couple of breaks to enjoy the view we got to the top in about 25 minutes.

At the top, I put my panniers back on my bike, and carried my wife's instead, since the panniers don't get in the way much when walking the bike downhill. As mentioned by others, the path downhill (heading towards DC) is a rarely-used dirt road, so if you've got the right bike and practice you probably could ride it (at least after the initial steep part). On my 20-year-old Trek with smooth 35mm tires I didn't think it was worth the risk.

All in all, it was much easier than we had feared it might be, given the mixed messages we'd seen online about it. Even the NPS says to allow 1.5 to 2.5 hours to do it, which had us nervous since we feared we'd be more likely to be among the slower people attempting it.

One last thing: As we were considering our alternatives, we were put in touch with a man named Dan who runs a B&B in Paw Paw (WV), and who can shuttle riders around the tunnel. The price he quoted us was $30 per person to take you from about 1.5 miles before the tunnel (Sulphur Springs Rd) to the crest of the bypass path at Tunnel Hill Rd, or $60 to take you all the way to Little Orleans. We spoke to him, and he convinced us that we'd be fine on our own ... super nice and helpful guy!


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Last week I encountered two resurfacing efforts in my trip from Pgh to DC. The first was approaching Ohiopyle where new, crushed stone was being placed and compacted. Heavy dump trucks and rollers were travelling along the GAP toward this effort. Where the placed stone had not been compacted, it was unrideable for a short distance.

Similarly resurfacing efforts on the C&O upriver of Shepherdstown continues. I encountered vehicles and loose stone around MM79 to MM75 where previous restoration efforts had been finished. You may have to walk around some equipment and loose stone in this area but it was not a significant impediment.


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 -  + I was surprised by the detour at McMahon's Mill on the Towpath between mile markers 88 and 89 . It does appear among the list of detours and closures on the National Park Service C&O Towpath website....
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I was surprised by the detour at McMahon's Mill on the Towpath between mile markers 88 and 89 . It does appear among the list of detours and closures on the National Park Service C&O Towpath website. The particular detour is however clearly described (and I failed to read) at:

https://www.nps.gov/choh/planyourvisit/mcmahon-s-lock-42-towpath.htm

It is a combination of some grassy paths and country roads totalling about 3 miles and has a couple of short steep, gravelly sections which may require walking a loaded bike.




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 -  + I rode from Cumberland to DC last week (Sept. 20-24th, 2021), and much to our group’s dismay, we found that many of the water pumps were not working. A lot of them had the handles removed, but even se...
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Brian from Lexington KY on 09/29/2021 02:52 PM
I rode from Cumberland to DC last week (Sept. 20-24th, 2021), and much to our group’s dismay, we found that many of the water pumps were not working. A lot of them had the handles removed, but even several of the ones with handles were not pumping water. Fortunately, we all brought filters because we had to pull straight from the Potomac when we found ourselves in a pinch.

I’m not sure if it’s pandemic-related (not enough staffing for maintaining the pumps), but it’s something to keep in mind.

I remember doing the C&O back in 2014 and nearly every pump worked. I’m glad I didn’t put my confidence in that prior experience!

 
Lammetrack from Monona, WI on 10/05/2021 05:59 PM
We rode the C&O west to east on September 15-17. We also found many pumps not working. We did bring a water filter for an emergency, but did not have to use it. We were not camping, so we decided to each carry enough food and water to get us our 60 miles or so for the day. That worked out fine for us in the warm, but not hot weather. There are not many places to stop and get refreshments between Cumberland and Hancock (at least we didn't fine them) so be prepared.

 
FungoMoonstar from Lutz on 10/19/2021 01:15 PM
I rode it last week and found all pumps working at C & O site
. They do take some finesse to get them pumping, and it is potable!

 
AndrewM99 from Powell, Ohio on 10/25/2021 04:28 PM
Rode the GAP and C&O the week of October 9th - 16th.
A volunteer trail guide we met up with near PawPaw, indicated each County is responsible for testing the wells.
If there is ANY contamination, the County removes the pump handle and treats the well with iodine. FYI - Hope this helps!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/25/2021 07:53 PM
I just returned to Pittsburgh last night from riding/camping along the GAP and C&O Towpath to DC. A number of pump handles have been removed and some of the pumps with handles take a long time to prime and get water, if any. In short, top off or get water when you can along the Towpath if you are relying on water at hiker/biker sites.


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 -  + We are planning on doing the GAP during the last week of October. However, my husband and I are at different fitness levels, so I have no way of knowing how far we will ride each day. We intend to d...
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Jane Smith from Roanoke on 10/11/2021 08:48 PM
We are planning on doing the GAP during the last week of October. However, my husband and I are at different fitness levels, so I have no way of knowing how far we will ride each day. We intend to do mostly tent camping, but I understand that there are limited camping spots, and most require reservations. Is this correct, or is it similar to the C&O in that there are many first come, first serve campsites?

 
John W. from Pittsburgh, PA on 10/11/2021 09:10 PM
All of the free campsites on the GAP do not require reservations. Just show up and pitch your tent.

With you traveling the last week of October, the campsites will be wide open. Even during peak summer, I’ve never seen campsites full….you’ll have the trail and campsites to yourself.

That said, there are only four free sites on the GAP. Check the guides so you can find to locate them. They are located at mile markers 89, 99, 110 and 122.

All others are traditional fee based campsites and may require a reservation just to make sure you get a spot. Can’t see you not getting one though. There are way fewer thru-cyclists in late October and campsites would be glad to take your money, compared to peak
Summer. :-)

 
Jane Smith from Roanoke on 10/12/2021 07:57 AM
Wonderful! Thank you so much for that info!

 
Rivnuts from Homestead,PA on 10/12/2021 08:16 AM
Note that there are Adirondack shelters at those free campsites along the western end of the GAP, and those shelters are first come first serve.

 
FungoMoonstar from Lutz on 10/19/2021 01:13 PM
I camped at the Outflow campground in Confluence on 10/14. This is a State site. It is officially closed, which means that you can camp there for free. I set up at a picnic table behind the playground. It was close to an open restroom. My only complaint would be that there were too many lights on all night, restroom and power station at base of dam. Check out Mitch's Food & Fuel in town.


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Harpers Ferry KOA
 -  + Has anyone stayed at the KOA in Harper's Ferry? If so, where do you cross over the Potomac, from the C&O Canal trail? We're considering staying there in a cabin or a tent site. Thanks for your respons...
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Barry from Hershey on 10/05/2021 09:41 PM
Has anyone stayed at the KOA in Harper's Ferry? If so, where do you cross over the Potomac, from the C&O Canal trail? We're considering staying there in a cabin or a tent site. Thanks for your response.

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 10/05/2021 10:01 PM
To get from the C&O Towpath across the river to Harpers Ferry, you have to walk across the pedestrian portion/causeway of the railroad bridge that crosses the Potomac there at Harpers Ferry. To access the pedestrian causeway, you must climb the spiral stairs on the Towpath side of the bridge. You'd likely need to unload your gear from your bike to carry them up the stairs.

 
Edward from North Carolina on 10/06/2021 06:12 AM
I stayed next to it last week. It looked nice but, it is a little ways to get there, mostly uphill. Brunswick has a nice campground that is right on the trail. It's 7.5 miles away from Harper's Ferry and the KOA is not quite 6 miles round trip from the trail. Edward

 
Barry from Hershey on 10/06/2021 08:57 AM
Thanks for the information. I'm not certain that we'll stay in Harper's Ferry.


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 -  + Riding the whole trail next spring. Will stay in hotels or inns. What towns are a must to stay in?
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Craig W from springfield MO on 09/25/2021 06:31 PM
Riding the whole trail next spring. Will stay in hotels or inns. What towns are a must to stay in?

 
Rivnuts from Homestead, PA on 09/25/2021 10:18 PM
In my opinion the towns themselves are not the highlights of the trip. I guess that's a backhanded way of saying the towns themselves are not particularly special such that I wouldn't plan my trip to visit a particular town in and of itself That said, you may have a particular interest in something such as, say, the civil war, which would lead you to perhaps want to stay in Harpers Ferry.

Of course the two terminus towns of Pittsburgh and Washington have a little something for everyone so you may want to stay an extra day or more in these cities. The choice of cities in between is typically a function of your itinerary including distance desired to ride each day and/or the length of time you have allocated to complete the trip. That will dictate what cities/towns you stay at. Once those are known you can evaluate the lodging options and points of interest in those cities.

With a little more information about your preferences, interests and itinerary those on this forum will have a variety of recommendations on where to stay and what to see in those cities/towns.

 
tl from Pgh on 09/25/2021 11:56 PM
If you are capable of 73+ miles on your first day out of DC, the Bavarian Inn at Shepherdstown is a nice place to visit. Steep climb from the C&O across the river, but worth the effort. Decent restaurant, nice pool, bike wash station & great view of the Potomac. They make their own beer too which goes down pretty easy after 73 miles on the towpath. Shepherdstown has some interesting shops and has a lot of Civil War history. A little pricey and you usually need to get your reservations early.

 
Edward from North Carolina on 10/05/2021 01:48 PM
I rode the GAP and C&O last week and I mostly camped, but I did stay in hotels a couple of nights. The Super8 in Hancock was fine and it is close to the trail. I also stayed at the Clarion Inn at Harper's Ferry. It was nice and had an attached restaurant, but boy was it ever a hike to get there. Going back to the trail wasn't bad since it is mostly downhill. They were both pretty easy on the budget. The Trail Inn in Frostburg looked nice, but I camped behind the lodge. I also camped at Camp Jellystone in Williamsport, but they also rent cabins and they looked really nice. It is a little ways out but the road was fine for cycling. I wanted to visit Antietam Battlefield so I rode from the camp to it and picked up the trail below the town of Sharpsburg. I would also recommend the The Schoolhouse in Oldtown, MD for breakfast and Bill's Place in Little Orleans for the Maryland Crab Cakes. They were great, just not far enough South for hushpuppies.


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Hostel in Rockwood
 -  + Hostel= 2 thumbs up! Convience store pizza= 2 thumbs up!
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Hostel= 2 thumbs up! Convience store pizza= 2 thumbs up!


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Paw Paw Tunnel in Oldtown
 -  + The Paw Paw Tunnel is only open for visitation, but NOT for riding through. I was riding the C&O both ways in mid September, and the tunnel was closed, and cyclists were walking their bikes over the d...
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Rich from Detroit, MI on 09/28/2021 02:54 PM
The Paw Paw Tunnel is only open for visitation, but NOT for riding through. I was riding the C&O both ways in mid September, and the tunnel was closed, and cyclists were walking their bikes over the detour route.
There are signs there, on both sides, indicating that you can walk and visit the tunnel, but you cannot ride through it.

 
Brian from Lexington KY on 09/29/2021 02:59 PM
I can confirm. There is a locked gate on the downstream end of the tunnel, making it all but impossible to get around if you were wanting to pass through the tunnel. At one time, I had heard it was just a barrier, but it is a locked gate that spans the entire walkway from the wall to the railing.

Passed over the tunnel on 9/20/21 and there was a lot of construction work going on at the downstream end.


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Ramada Inn Cumberland in Cumberland
 -  + While staying at any hotel after 3 nights of camping and riding would be luxurious, I strongly recommend against staying at this hotel in Cumberland. The amenities listed are misleading. Restaurant: N...
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JZ on 09/27/2021 08:12 PM
While staying at any hotel after 3 nights of camping and riding would be luxurious, I strongly recommend against staying at this hotel in Cumberland. The amenities listed are misleading.
Restaurant: Not Open
Bar: Not Open
Breakfast: Ridiculous - the smallest Quaker granola bar in the world + a banana and a bottle of water. What a joke. Thankfully there is a McDs a block away where I got something more substantive.

 
Willy from Alexandria,VA on 09/28/2021 01:57 PM
I hate to burst your bubble, but what constitutes free breakfast has deteriorated pert near everywhere during the pandemic at hotels across this land.

At least the Ramada is 30 bucks cheaper per night than the Fairfield Inn in Cumberland. For the price of Fairfield,I could stay at a B&B for the same price.

Then again, I have heard good things about Fairfield Inn in Cumberland.

For me, the big thing about riding the C&O and GAP is the journey, not the lodging.

Cumberland is the third largest city on the C&O/Gap route. There are restaurants and Bars in downtown Cumberland.

After a long day riding, I would personally go to a local joint than the hotel bar or restaurant.


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Gap Trail Bikers Campground in West Newton
 -  + Absolutely fantastic place to stay for the night! More luxurious shower facilities than you'll find in most hotels! Great lounging area. Awesome hosts. Just make a reservation - you won't regret it. W...
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Absolutely fantastic place to stay for the night! More luxurious shower facilities than you'll find in most hotels! Great lounging area. Awesome hosts. Just make a reservation - you won't regret it. Was one of the highlights of my trip.

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