C&O / GAP Forum

Some friends and I recently had to call off a GAP trip that we had planned for a while due to one of us catching COVID. We canceled all of our reservations at least a week ahead of the planned stays, but several places were unwilling to give us refunds. I realize this is a tough time for businesses, but we canceled with plenty of time for them to rebook the rooms. For all we know, they may have rebooked the rooms to other guests and doubled their money.

One of the places that refused a refund was the River's Edge in Confluence and the other was the Fairfield Inn in Cumberland. Be aware of their policies if you plan on staying at either place.

BTW, we also canceled at the Connellsville B&B and they refunded our money with no hesitation whatsoever.

I'm sorry you are in that situation.

Fairfield Inn has a 24 hour cancellation policy, I would contact the Marriot customer service.

River's Edge website says they will refund if they can rebook the room so maybe they just need to see if they fill your room(s) before they issue a refund.

The other place that won’t issue refund is Springhill Suites in Pittsburgh.

Apparently my friend made reservations through booking.com and they are all denying responsibility. Hotels blame booking.com, which blames it on hotels. Reservations were canceled at least a week before planned visits.

River’s Edge was reserved directly with the inn.

I could understand their reluctance if we had canceled at the last minute but a week is plenty of notice. Most hotels these days will let you cancel with 24 hours notice or less.

Anyway, I posted this as a caution to others planning trips on the GAP. My advice is to make reservations directly with hotels/inns and make sure that they will refund cancellations within specified time periods.

A number of third-party travel reservation services.offer non-refundable rates as well as normal, refundable-with-notice rates. All rates must be transparent and fully understood prior to booking regardless whether they are with third-party services or with the direct providers themselves.

I learned the hard way, never use 3rd party sites. We did a trip to NYC and they double booked the hotel. Expedia wouldn't refund us and let's just say they got way more than an earful.. So, I never use any of those sites. The problem is, a lot of times it's hard to tell if you're on their site or the actual hotel, so I now call the hotel directly to make my reservations.

Will be riding from Cumberland to Hancock on Wednesday 7/14 - anyone know the latest on the Paw Paw tunnel closure? It seems like up to this point that it’s been passable, any update on if that’s changed in the last few days?

We are be riding thru on Thursday July 22. Any word on status of Paw Paw Tunnel? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Still open. Plan on going through and avoid the detour.

Make sure to ask all passers-by as you approach the tunnel if they went through, they’ll have the latest. I must have had 10 people tell me to go through and ignore the detour.

John

I breezed right through today, no issues

Thanks for feedback.

Tunnel section is wide open. I went through two days ago (7/21) and there is no construction, nor any construction equipment set up. My guess is because MD DOT is rehabilitating the MD-51 bridge over the towpath (about a half a mile south of the south tunnel entrance), that the NPS has decided to postpone the tunnel scaling project until the bridge work is complete. In any event, the tunnel section is wide open so there is no need to go up and over.

It’s the 26th and we just went through the tunnel- no problems. Going west there are signs saying it’s closed and some detour signs, but it’s not. They may have already done the work they planned on doing. From what a local said. Enjoy!!

It’s the 26th and we just went through the tunnel- no problems. Going west there are signs saying it’s closed and some detour signs, but it’s not. They may have already done the work they planned on doing. From what a local said. Enjoy!!

Planning a 4-day ride from Cumberland to DC in a party of 9. Mixed experienced riders. Curious about PawPaw tunnel, of course, but wonder about challenging stretches. Thankful for any input. Travel dates 9/26-9/30.

Tunnel has been open all summer so plan on ignoring the detour and just go through. As you are approaching the tunnel, ask passers by if they went through, they will know.

The most challenging stretch is Cumberland to Hancock. I classify it as rustic and remote. It’s basically old mule paths. If it’s rained in the last few days there will be puddles and mud slicks. You will get a bit muddy. They’ve begun resurfacing at Shepherstown so it has the crushed limestone rail trail type surface which is much nicer.

Don’t forget, you can hop on the Western Maryland Rail Trail at Little Orleans which parallels the C&O for 27 miles and is paved. After Mile 1 of the WMRT be on the lookout for Ernstville Rd. Turn right, go 100 yards to the dirt path, that puts you back on the C&O.

John

Hi, just trying to make sure we don't get stuck when we try to ride through next week with our kid -- if the Paw Paw tunnel does close, is the detour trail doable with a Burley trailer? We are experienced cyclists but would have trouble with our setup if it's rocky singletrack.
Thanks!

Hi Shaena: I guess single track is how others have described it. In fact, most say you cant even ride *down* it. If you take the detour you will be pushing your bike and all the weight up the hill and walking down with the brakes on. :-)

Definitely rocky but doable. I wouldn’t worry though, the tunnel has been open all summer. Good luck!

Any updates on the status of towpath near the PawPaw Tunnel? The Tunnel Bypass Trail sounds terrible and we'd like to avoid pushing our bikes for an hour. Is there a way to go around on the road (Rt 51, Malcolm Rd, Tunnel Hill Rd) and reenter the canal around lock 64 or 65 (traveling from Cumberland to Hancock)?

For what it is worth as I was riding away from Pittsburgh today I asked some self-supported riders approaching Pittsburgh if they had gone through the Paw Paw Tunnel. They responded "no", that they had to "go around" the Tunnel. I presume "around" meant up and over the Tunnel Bypass Trail. However I did not have the opportunity to ask if the Towpath near the tunnel was truly closed or that they saw the signs ahead of the construction area and chose to take the bypass trail before actually getting to the construction area. Of course this info isn't a definitive answer to the question but reinforces the usefulness of obtaining current and accurate status of the Towpath to adequately plan trips through that area at this time. I'll provide additional information should I come across it.

Just got back home today, I followed the signs for the paw paw detour... light weight ride at around 35lbs bike and gear and was pretty brutal in this heat.... I did just outside dc to Pittsburgh in 4 days and this was the hardest day even though I was able to ride down....stayed in Cumberland and as I was leaving spoke to others who did the tunnel....that hurt LOL

Great trip! Can’t wait to do it again slower, only negative was so many of the c&o water pumps were out of commission...dry or no handle to pump. Super humid and well above 90 so it was pretty stressful not knowing about water. The last water station before the pawpaw is great, cool and really clear, fill some empties or a water bag in addition to your bottles if you have to do the detour

My wife and I just completed (Sunday, September 12) a thru hike of the entire 184.5 miles. We went through the tunnel on Saturday morning September 11.

There are two locked barriers, but if you are in decent shape you can reach around them and pull yourself by on the canal side. Bikers will likely need a partner to pass their bikes to over the tops. We wore our backpacks when going around the barriers. Again, if you are not in particularly good shape or simply afraid of losing your grip and falling in the canal, you will be better off with the detour.

We would not have gone around except for the fact that there is no danger in the tunnel. In fact, if you approach from the West there are signs actually stating that while you cannot go all the way through, the tunnel is open to visitors. You can walk the entire length of the tunnel from the west until you come to the barriers on the east, neither of which is actually in the tunnel.

Not sure what the barriers are even for?

I didn't see this post when I asked the question about the detour. Was there any construction going on or construction personnel around once you got past the barriers?

Rivnuts, there were no workers nor any signs of construction. That being said, it was a Saturday morning.

It takes mere seconds to check the NPS website to see why that part of the Paw Paw tunnel has locked barriers.

They are removing existing debris remaining from a recent rockslide, stabilizing the rock face adjacent to the canal, and replacing the wooden boardwalk that serves as the towpath for a portion of this stretch.

First, there were just signs saying that end is closed. Now they have put in multiple locked barriers. If people keep ignoring the barriers to enter the rockslide zone, they'll post a guard next. Once they tear out the wooden boardwalk to replace it, how will you get around that? Whether it's two people ignoring barriers at Paw Paw or thousands ignoring barriers at the Capitol Building, they're all the reason why we can't keep nice things.

The problem has been that the NPS website announced the closure of the Towpath downriver of the tunnel last November but no work had begun until, perhaps, the last few days. This has led to much confusion.

Yeah, when you lie to me, the contract is pretty much over.

Bill, you insurrectionist! Are you advocating Storming the gates of the Paw Paw Tunnel!?!?!?

All Trails shows the grade for the Paw Paw Tunnel trail to be 11% heading towards Hancock and 6% towards Cumberland.

Art, I'm kind of crazy like that. :)

Riding Katy, GAP and Erie Canal trails, we have gotten so many bogus notifications of closures, maintenance, etc that we just don't believe them anymore.

I'm not here to break the law or anything, but when the website of an authority says a trail is closed, and then you get to it and it's passable, it's difficult to see why one should take a detour.

In just a few mere seconds to check the NPS website, the following info about the Tunnel Bypass Trail is provided. Having traversed this bypass trail a few years ago (and facing it again in a few weeks) this info seems accurate and fair. Although the estimate of time to traverse it seems conservative it is dependent on several factors as cited. With decreasing daylight this fall the additional time to traverse the bypass may influence one’s trip schedule and overnight plans.


“How long is the Tunnel Bypass Trail? How steep is it?

The Tunnel Bypass Trail is approximately a mile and a half in length with an elevation change of 375 feet. From the upstream (parking lot) end, the Tunnel Bypass Trail begins by crossing the canal prism and climbs 0.63 miles to the top (or about one foot of rise per nine feet of distance). On the downstream (construction) end, the bypass begins where the Tunnel Hill Trail meets the towpath near mile marker 155 and climbs 0.82 miles to the top (one foot of rise per 11.5 feet of distance).

What should I know about the Tunnel Bypass Trail?

Wear sturdy shoes that have good traction. Carry and drink lots of water during ascent and descent. Plan for the Tunnel Bypass Trail taking between one and a half to two and a half hours depending on your load, fitness level, and pace. Cyclists are reminded that they are required to dismount along the Tunnel Bypass Trail.”

As a 64 year old who is planning to take this on next week, I appreciate the conservative time estimate.

I'll be riding the GAP/C&O roundtrip next week, starting in DC. Regarding Paw Paw tunnel options, there appears to be an on-road bypass of 2.3 miles along Tunnel Hill Road, Malcom Road, Old County Road and Sulpher Springs Road. The C&O Canal Trail appears to cross Tunnel Hill Road at the east end and Suphfer Springs Road at the west end. Any reasons why this wouldn't be a good alternative to a 2 hour hike with bike?

It appears that to get to Tunnel Hill Rd. from the C&O, you have to go up to the top of the Paw Paw Tunnel Detour (Tunnel Hill Rd. is high up above you if you were inside the tunnel). If you’ve huffed and puffed and got up to the top, you might as well at this point just continue down the detour to its conclusion rather than getting on the roads you mentioned. It will be quicker that way. I can’t speak for everyone on this forum but I don’t see any other alternatives that save you time.

I just rode the Paw Paw Bypass option (Sulphur Springs Rd, to Oldtown to Malcolm Rd to Tunnel Hill Rd) on Sunday the 19th. This connects with the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail at the top of Tunnel Hill. You then have to take the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail down to the C&O path. The option of going on these roads works well going from Cumberland to Little Orleans, however if you are going from Little Orleans to Cumberland you have no option to pushing your bike up the Tunnel Hill Bypass Trail. If you are going this direction you are probably better off staying on the Bypass trail to get back to the C&O. Just an FYI there are a couple if steeper sections on Sulpher Springs Rd and Tunnel Hill Road. They are ridable though. These are also public roads with no shoulder, so beware of traffic, especially on Oldtown Rd. (51).

Rick:

As one who is about to ride to DC I appreciate this information about this option. How much traffic did you encounter on Rt 51? I already had planned to ride on Rt 51 from Cumberland to Big Run before rejoining the Towpath to Paw Paw. Also, we’re you able to ride down the Bypass Trail after leaving Tunnel Hill Road. I remember riding some of it a few years ago.

We were only on 51 for a short period of time and only saw one car. It looked like a decent road, but expect the cars to be traveling at high speeds. We were able to ride down the bypass trail from the top, but it is a bit steep and rocky, especially at the top. If you have spent some time on a mountain bike off road it is definitely possible to ride it. For context, I am 62 and in decent shape riding a touring bike with panniers.

Wondering if the flooding 4 days ago in DC affected the C&O trail quality? NPS showing lots open and some previous closures around 84-89, but 4 days ago there were photos of water running down the escalators in Dupoont Circle.

THanks

It seems that storm was concentrated to the south west of the C&O.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/09/17/flooding-dc-alexandria-arlington-fairfax/

I looked at the road option someone kindly posted on Reddit stating a google ride time estimate of 33 mins and 2 hill climbs and potential traffic concerns. I am a 59 yr old newbie to distance touring and went for the hill climb detour. Traveling to DC eastbound i did the Paw Paw tunnel detour in 45 mins. I did cheat and road the east side downhill as i have decent downhill MTB skills. I had 2 E mtn bikes pass me on the uphill which i pushed up w 36 lbs in the panniers for reference. West side is single track, east side is 4x4 road, (2 corners were banked, yipee!) Banking w panniers was a hoot...dont tell my wife.

Wondering if you would contact me at streamstx@gmail.com - just reaching out to someone who rides these trails that is local.

(this board does not seem to have a user to user communication capability)

I'll email you!

Just wanted to let everyone know - my wife Carla and I were passed the baton by Bill and Darlene and are doing our utmost to live up to the standards that they created for the 1828 Trail Inn. They are the model [hosts] upon which we base our hospitality. Plus we are availing ourselves of Bill's muffin recipes - available on the website! May your trail be safe, dry, and mostly
downhill!

Count us in as massive fans of 1828 Trail Inn and the Deckers. We stayed there last week on our thru hike and we were honestly overwhelmed by the complete authenticity of Joe’s hospitality. As I told Joe, some people are great hosts because they are doing a good job, and then a select few are incredible hosts because it simply is innate.

Joe Decker, you were one of the highlights of our 11 day hike. I honestly feel like my wife and I could have asked for ANYTHING and you would have done everything in your power to accommodate and done so with enthusiasm.

We love you and we love your Inn and I treasure our discussions of your amazing and unique book collection, your ridiculously good breakfast (served in courses) and your numerous kindnesses you extended to us. And baking vegan muffins last minute for us? Amazing.

1828 gets my absolute highest recommendation. We look forward to visiting in October (when we are not destroyed from hiking 185 miles!) and meeting Carla.

Thank you sir, you define hospitality!

Art&Jill

Hopefully someone can povide some information on the trail conditions from Cumberland to Washington DC after hurricane Ida--we are arriving in two weeks--any current information is appreciated

We are on AMTRAK now coming back from our DC to Pittsburgh ride. We left on 9/7. Trail good except for the detours at mile 88.1 and at the PawPaw tunnel. They actually finally cleared trees between Hancock and Cumberland that had been across the trail since mid-August. C&O muddy when it rained on us of course, but that was it.

Heading Cumberland to DC, planned mile-wise to stay in Leesburg, ferry is closed. Where can we stay??? TIA

You can stay at the Comfort Inn in Leesburg. They offer a shuttle service from Point of Rocks. Call them to make arrangements.

Heading Cumberland to DC, planned mile-wise to stay in Leesburg, ferry is closed. Where can we stay??? TIA

Plan on parking at Reagan airport and riding our bikes to the Amtrak station in DC and then riding the train to cumberland. I saw the Mt Vernon trail at Reagan Airport but not sure it goes all the way to Amtrack station? Any suggestions?

You’ll be on Mount Vernon trail for a short bit but then exit and get on the George Mason Memorial Bridge (sidewalk that parallels I-395) and then navigate through the mall area to Union Station.

Google Maps bicycle mode is pretty accurate.

Along the Mount Vernon Trail at Gravelly Point, stop to watch the planes land or take off right over your head!

John

riding the canal from cumberland to dc next week